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MP's Want To Take Hizbollah Off Terror List

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Probably not a surprise from Liberal party MP's. Just a question of time before some of our congress critters bring up the topic. These idiots failed to read Hizbollah's mission statement.

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=518fea97-7b51-49c9-bad6-e38070739bae
 
New Democrat Peggy Nash, who represents the Toronto riding of Parkdale-High Park, said her discussions in Lebanon had led her to believe "that it is just not helpful to label them a terrorist organization.

And enabling a foreign terrorist organization in Canada will help how? These people really need to give themselves a shake!  :(
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Sigh

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004475.html

Wrzesnewskyj And Nash - "Death To Jews"

Military historian Victor Davis Hanson has a sobering review of the current situation in the ME and the questionable sympathies of the world press;

The old Arab agenda of recapturing “stolen” land has been superseded by a new Islamist jihad that is as fanatical as it is inhuman. The Islamists care not a whit for ground, but only for the abject destruction of the Jewish state and to finish the Holocaust that they claim did not take place. Few of the pundits now clamoring for “engagement” care to recall that Syria probably murdered Rafik Hariri, or that Iran promises to wipe Israel off the map.

The near criminal indifference of the international community is cause for greater depression still. No one says a thing about horrific Arab racism and anti-Semitism that brazenly offer the world pictures of our secretary of State as a primate and constant hate speech of Jews as apes and pigs. And here at home, a celebrity actor, the staff of a failed congresswoman in Georgia, and a crazed Muslim with a gun in Seattle all shout about the evils of the “Jews” — a good cross-section of just how insidious is the growing anti-Semitism.

The globalized media is absolutely discredited after the coverage of Lebanon. Reuters has destroyed its reputation, gained from 150 years of world reporting, by releasing doctored pictures and tolerating staged photo-ops. Almost all the Western media outlets failed to distinguish Lebanese civilian from military casualties — as if the Hezbollah terrorists they never filmed and never interviewed never died.

Indeed, thanks to the unprofessional reporters abroad, and their disingenuous chiefs back home, the world never saw the killers who sent the rockets nor many of their civilian victims on the ground in Israel. Nor did the reporters apprise their audience of the different landscapes in which they worked: candor in Israel might win loud disagreement; truth in Lebanon meant death. It would be as if Reuters, AP, or the New York Times embedded its reporters within the Waffen SS, beaming daily reports back home about the great morale and noble suffering of the Wehrmacht as it advanced into the snowy Ardenn.


... and near the end gets something wrong;

In an amorphous war of self-induced Western restraint, like the present one, truth and moral clarity are as important as military force. This past month, the world of the fascist jihadist and those who tolerate him was once again on display for civilization to fathom. Even the most timid and prone to appeasement in the West are beginning to see that it is becoming a question of “the Islamists or us.”

In this eleventh hour, that is a sort of progress after all.


Or rather, is proven wrong. Returning from Lebanon after spending a few days as guests of Hezbollah, two Canadian politicians have established themselves as this year's leading contenders for the Nobel Prize In Bad Judgement,

It would aid the cause of peace if Canada dropped Hezbollah from a list of banned terrorist organizations, according to two Canadian MPs on a fact-finding mission to Lebanon.

When asked if he were in favour of Hezbollah being taken off the terror list, Etobicoke Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj said: "Yes, I would be."

He likened the situation in the Middle East to Northern Ireland, where "if there wasn't the possibility for London to negotiate with the IRA, you'd still have bombings."

"Hezbollah has a political wing, they have members of parliament, they have two cabinet ministers," Wrzesnewskyj said. "You want to encourage politicians in this military organization so that the centre of gravity shifts to them."

New Democrat Peggy Nash, who represents the Toronto riding of Parkdale-High Park, said her discussions in Lebanon had led her to believe "that it is just not helpful to label them a terrorist organization."

"If the political parties in Lebanon who may disagree with Hezbollah, and be opposed to them and their philosophy, can figure out a way to work with Hezbollah and try to get along internally, then perhaps we should take a cue from that."

This was the message that both MPs said they would bring back to their caucuses, and eventually to the House of Commons, when they return to Canada this week.

Unbelievable.
 
Well I suppose if the MP's get their caucus to support their thesis then you might believe. One fact I have noticed in the US is that the media and our democrats tend to support the rights of terrorists than supporting our war effort. Plenty of facts replicated daily just watch the news.
 
FWIW, none of the MPs on the junket are leading players in their respective groups, sorta the B squad.  I'd imagine their role is to suggest that the Liberals, NDP and BQ are sympathetic without obliging the party to stake that position.  If a Jack Layton or an Olivia Chow or one of the contenders for the Liberal leadership had attended that'd be more significant.  
 
Just because someone was "there" doesn't make them an expert.  Imagine this: you see a car racing by you and it slams into a crowd of pedestrians.  The driver gets out, is slurring his words and then collapses, unconcious.  That's all you saw.  Was he drunk?  Did he have a heart attack?  What happened.  My point: just because you saw something doesn't mean you can state categorically what happened and why.
Take the "friend" who was in Lebanon.  Now, I imagine (this may be a leap here, help me out), but she isn't well-versed in the tactics of anti-rocket bombing in an urban setting, is she?  Also, how many wars has she seen up close?  Would she be able to distinguish between random carpet bombing and precision strikes?  Does she know how a targetting board works?  Was she involved in the system of finding targets and then allocating fire units to destroying them?
I doubt it.
So, her opinion is worth what you paid to hear it: worthless.
Next topic, please.


Now, as for Hezbollah, their intent (originally, as they state) was to end Israeli occupation of Lebanon.  Fine.  Done.  So, why did they cross into Israel a couple of months ago?  Why did they DELIBERATELY target Israeli cities?  Was your friend in Israel and see what random shelling REALLY looks like?  Methinks not.
 
Canada had good reasons to put Hezbollah on the terrorist watch list. Given the climate of late, it seems abundantly clear that those reasons are still quite pertinent today. We shouldn't neglect who organized this "fact finding mission" to Lebabon (Council on Canada Arab Relations)... it's only normal that these misinformed MPs will come back in support of Hezbollah - they don't know any better! Were they brought to Israel to see the results of Hezbollah's Katushya rockets? None of the tour members have any significant political weight and a change of course in foreign policy is not likely to happen since Canada doesn't have much of a foreign policy to begin with. MP Peggy Nash, quoted in a CTV story, sums it up best : "This time we were not a voice of moderation, we were echoing what United States foreign policy was dictating," said NDP MP Peggy Nash.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060819/mideast_mps_visit_060820/20060820?hub=Canada
 
1Good_Woman said:
MP Peggy Nash, quoted in a CTV story, sums it up best : "This time we were not a voice of moderation, we were echoing what United States foreign policy was dictating," said NDP MP Peggy Nash.
If I correctly recall, Canada had diplomatic relations with Israel, and had Hizbollah (hezbollah?) on its terror list.  Made every sense to support that nation and condemn the terrorists.  Also, Harper was one of the first world leaders to make comments on the conflict, and he parroted/echoed nobody.
 
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I read that this morning - it is such a stupid suggestion that I have lost the ability to formulate a logical reply, everything just comes out with censored expletives.  

Will have to wait until 'shock and awe' have subsided a bit...

(Edit - hey now! I had 10 x headbangers on this post to emphasize my point.  Who snuck in and took off 9 of them?)
 
On the other hand, our British and Australian allies only consider the "foreign division" of Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization - seeing their social and political wing as a legitimate movement.  Are they out to lunch?
 
Infanteer said:
On the other hand, our British and Australian allies only consider the "foreign division" of Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization - seeing their social and political wing as a legitimate movement.  Are they out to lunch?

One wing supports the other's objectives ?
 
Ah yes, because everybody (well, the Libs and NDP) knows that because Hezbollah runs "socials programs", they must share our "Canadian Values".

Blind stupidity by MPs such as the two quoted is why the conduct of foreign affairs is left to the executive branch of the government in this country, not the legislature.
 
It's got nothing to do with the moral convictions of the MPs, and everything to do with publicity and vote mongering. These two know there's not a hope in hell of getting this passed, but they're now forefront in the news, poking Harper in the eye. They must have looked at how many votes they would lose, compared to new votes, and donations, from certain special interest groups they would gain. They simply decided the odds, and dollars, were in their favour. Typical vote whores, selling their non existant values to the highest bidder, and the Canadian people be damned.

I think I just heard a toilet flush.
 
Infanteer said:
On the other hand, our British and Australian allies only consider the "foreign division" of Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization - seeing their social and political wing as a legitimate movement.  Are they out to lunch?

I would say Hizbollah has copied the IRA model with its political and military arms. Hamas too has a militia and political aspect. The Nazi Party in Germany had a political branch with the SA as their bully boys. I think any group that has aspirations to becoming the dominant political party needs an enforcement arm both to protect the party and to enforce the party's will on the public at large. Rather then treat the two branches differently one has to treat the organization as a whole. Hizbollah mission originally was to create an Islamic republic in Lebanon. I doubt they have abandoned that goal. Rather they obtain public endorsement of its being by portraying itself as anti-zionist. I view these groups as insidious.
 
Just found this on the net, shared here because apparently it's ok to do some according to some fair dealings shareware thingy:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060821.whezbo0821/BNStory/Front/home

Noteworthy:
Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj denied reports that he called for Hezbollah to be dropped from the terror list, but said the mission to Lebanon would have been aided if the delegates were able to have met with Hezbollah officials.

“I maintain my position that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization,” Mr. Wrzesnewskyj said, in a telephone interview from Damascus, Syria, where he and the other delegates will fly out from later. “I believe that having a list like that is a useful tool. What I have a problem with is the legislation around that list which says you cannot sit down and negotiate.”


Garvincomment:  "Yeah, right."

and this:
NDP MP Peggy Nash, who is also travelling with the fact-finding mission in Lebanon, was contacted Monday en route to Syria. She said she and the other delegates had met with the Lebanese Prime Minister, members of the government and opposition parties, but no elected Hezbollah officials.

“Let me make it as clear as I can,” Ms. Nash said. “We spoke to leaders of the [Lebanon's] oppositions parties who said they felt it was important that Hezbollah be drawn into the democratic process and they supported continuing that process. I think that's important. I'm not here to say whether Hezbollah should or shouldn't be a terrorist organization; our government has made that decision. It's not the point of the mission.”

Garvincomment:  "OK.  What was the point?  Did you go to Israel and talk to the victims of the rocket attacks?"



 
Forget it VG...politics by sound bite and opinion poll...........
 
Oh, I know.  In fact, in a Toronto Star article, one of the MPs goes on and on about how the "State sponsored terrorism" of Israel destroyed thousands of homes, etc, but barely mentioned the Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel.  (He did mention it, though briefly).  I think their 15 minutes are soon to be expired
 
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