Muslim Call to Prayer in Regina (split from Liberal Gov't 2025 - ???)
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Noise complaints are a municipal bylaw issue.
Wonder how many would ?
There's already lots of apps.
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Listen, i dont care for church bells but you wont find me bitching about them.
Tis what tis, if it makes them happy, and doesnt impede on me personally, have at it.
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And that's okay. Some of us don't want religious broadcasts blasted over public loud speakers whether it's 9 minutes or 90. Considering what Islam does and represents in alot or places I'd chalk it up to a little more than pearl clutching.
Halifax Tar
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I am good with neither. Neither buildings should make noise.
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Some do. The Catholic church near our last place marked 0800, 1200 and 1600. Only noon is a scheduled mass.
Doesn't Halifax still have a noon gun?
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Prayer Call through loudspeakers goes back to at least 2020 in Canada.
Halifax Tar
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We do.
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In line with this ...
... and this ...
... one has to ask if we'd also be OK if all churches and religions were told, "hey, zero public audio for you - there's an app." I'd be OK with that broad a rule, but I suspect some might at least quibble when it comes to their own institutions being told to STFU, liturgically speaking.
If that's the standard, survivors of Christian church sexual abuse enter the chat.
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But we've been doing something about that. Christianity has modernized. The fact that a common retort to a complaint about an Islamic-flavoured abuse is "Oh yeah? What about the Inquisition/Crusades?" highlights in blinding relief the fact that centuries' worth of moderation have been achieved. The Christian churches in Canada overwhelmingly lack any doctrine that might excuse abuses of non-believers, irrespective of what might be extant in scripture and related documents. And what's in Canada is wholly under our control.
I have a simple philosophy: fix problems; don't import more of them while you are trying to fix them.
It's easy to create "we allow this; why not that" quibbles. I look at Canada and the Islamic world from 30,000 feet and conclude, "We neither need nor want any of that". Christian church bells are not a problem that needs to be solved so that we can legitimately draw bright lines that block people pushing illiberal beliefs and agendas via "rock soup" methods fronted by useful idiots.
Yes replying to the original post about "Christian church sexual abuse" with the retort of "we've modernized since the crusades" is a fine debate strategy.
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Shocking to see how many on here are totally cool with bringing that into Canada.
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Freedom of religion is one thing as long as they don’t attempt to forcefully make people convert.
There’s a fine line between freedom of religion and imposing it on the unwilling
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"Christian church sexual abuse" was (might still be) a problem. The fact that it existed/exists and we might not have completely compensated for or eradicated it is not an excuse for tolerating other illiberalities trying to squeeze themselves into the country. Fix what is ours; deny others the opportunity to add to our problems.
The "strategy" puts the distinction between Christianity and Islam in 2026 in perspective and demolishes cultural relativism, which is all it is meant to do. The comparison is highly unflattering to Islam. Christian ideals, applied, were the font of much of what passes for modern liberalism, and by empirical observation we've already managed to secularize most of what matters and Christianity is a dim background for most people. "Make them live by their rules" in this case produced a lot of successes. What have Islamic ideals and beliefs done for liberalism in the Islamic world?
Suppose Canada is "8" on a 1-10 scale (illiberal-liberal) and some other country is "4". Some people who occupy approximately a position at "6" would like to come here to escape the oppression of "4" and may even plead as refugees, but they don't actually want to change their position at "6". They want to exploit the freedoms of "8" to continue to be "6" at the least, and to promote "6" at worst. An effect of their migration is to actually make both countries a little bit more illiberal. It creates problems for Canada, and probably removes an annoying source of political discord from "4". There is no reason for us to make life easier for the "4" regimes; they should be left to cook and occasionally explode until they finally arrive at "8". If we can't reliably screen people as individuals for their suitability for "8", we can either accept the risks/problems or adopt a bright line and block the source, period.
is there any evidence of this mosque forcing people to convert?
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It's not freedom of religion if they are trying to impose it on others. I claim that's the agenda behind much of this kind of creep. I observe it in other countries; I'd rather just block it and move on with solving some of the problems we already have. There is enough of our own long-standing shit to clean up without arguing ourselves into believing that our liberal principles compel us to risk accepting more.
let's silence all church bells across the country then. Let's go full Quebec and outlaw any public displays of any religion. Tear down the churchs/mosques/synagogues , forcing me to see them is them imposing their religion on me.
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Blasphemy is a victimless crime
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If that's what you need, you can try. I have no problem with overt displays of Christianity or Judaism. Their foundations are moderate; their displays are unostentatious; their immoderate fringe fundamentalists are very quiet and quite obviously just want to be left alone. Their mainstream beliefs are almost indistinguishable now from core principles of secular liberalism. They are not trying to import Rome or Jerusalem or any part of Europe or anywhere else to Canada and have not been doing so for decades. I have no interest in importing the cultural and religious/political quiffs of Saudi Arabia or Iran, and will continue to advocate for minimizing their influence here without burning down our own heritage because of some made-up idea that being liberal 99% of the time isn't good enough.
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