Mystery Blast in CAN Arctic?
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The answer lies in market displacement. This is clearly a blatant act of aggression by Denmark; not in reaction to Hans Island but to loss of export market share due to Canada's increasing domestic self-sufficiency in Blue and Havarti cheeses. And it's only the opening round. Beware of surprise attack from Switzerland and France for similar reasons. Yes friends our country will soon be fully engaged in a vicious and brutal cheese war.
Let's pre-empt them by seizing St. Pierre & Miquelon to deny this European Cheese Coalition of a southern staging base.
Let's pre-empt them by seizing St. Pierre & Miquelon to deny this European Cheese Coalition of a southern staging base.
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Who knows it might be an alian invasion that was stoped in the north by the cold, they picked a bad place to land and they all died because of the cold. Similar to Hittler in Russia in 1941.
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This has definitely been winding into radio chatter, but here's something more substantial...well, not really, it's still a mystery.
Mystery of Arctic explosion and dead whales likely to remain
Mystery of Arctic explosion and dead whales likely to remain
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I'll go with the possibility of Volcanic activity. We have active volcanoes in Iceland and numerous underwater volcanoes are known to exist within the Arctic Circle.
If this is true, then it would be fairly easy for some scientific teams to go and verify it.
If this is true, then it would be fairly easy for some scientific teams to go and verify it.
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Good call George ....
I was actually wondering if it could be tied to Climate Change (stop laughing).
The Scandinavians have a tradition of Ragnarok - a period of Fire and Ice - that some associate with the melting of the ice over Scandinavia.
The melting ice reduced the over burden on the land. The ice had gradually depressed the land as it accumulated. When the ice melted the land popped, literally, back up to its earlier level. Often with catastrophic impact on the crust.
In Sweden there is a fault called the Parvie Wave that was created over a very short period of time - It ruptured over 160 km of Precambrian rock to a depth of some kilometers with a displacement of 10 m. This would be like an earthquake greater than anything Vancouver expects happening in Cochrane, Ont.
There is a picture of it in this University of Calgary Slide Show.
In other places this type of displacement contributed to increased volcanic activity.
Another possibility is somebody cooked off a methane hydrate bubble. Be careful where you light a match up there.
I was actually wondering if it could be tied to Climate Change (stop laughing).
The Scandinavians have a tradition of Ragnarok - a period of Fire and Ice - that some associate with the melting of the ice over Scandinavia.
The melting ice reduced the over burden on the land. The ice had gradually depressed the land as it accumulated. When the ice melted the land popped, literally, back up to its earlier level. Often with catastrophic impact on the crust.
In Sweden there is a fault called the Parvie Wave that was created over a very short period of time - It ruptured over 160 km of Precambrian rock to a depth of some kilometers with a displacement of 10 m. This would be like an earthquake greater than anything Vancouver expects happening in Cochrane, Ont.
There is a picture of it in this University of Calgary Slide Show.
In other places this type of displacement contributed to increased volcanic activity.
Another possibility is somebody cooked off a methane hydrate bubble. Be careful where you light a match up there.
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/26624
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The problem with the volcanic acivity theory is that you would likely NOT see black smoke, but only the steam from the heat travelling to the surface. Most of the solids (which would cause the black smoke) would likely be scrubbed by the water it is passing through.
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The plot thickens...
Military scrambled over foreign sub sighting
Forces tried to keep August sighting, explosion in High Arctic under wraps
OTTAWA — The Canadian Forces quietly scrambled an investigative team to the High Arctic last August to probe what it considered a "reliable" report of a foreign submarine sighting near the eastern entrance of the Northwest Passage - all the while trying to keep a public-relations lid on the matter, documents show.
The sub sighting occurred kilometres away from the location of a mysterious explosion that had been reported to authorities 10 days earlier and made news across Canada.
Today, the military refuses to discuss what it found last summer after probing the sub incident, citing operational security. Its silence on the possible underwater incursion - of a sort Canada is relatively powerless to detect or stop - stands in stark contrast to the clamour Ottawa makes when NORAD detects and intercepts approaching Russian bombers.
The sub sighting is a reminder of Canada's difficulty with enforcing its sovereignty in the increasingly contested Arctic. The incident occurred even as officials in Ottawa were planning a trip for Prime Minister Stephen Harper to the region. It was only three weeks later that he tried to reassert Canada's claims over the Passage and Arctic, announcing Ottawa would now require foreign vessels entering Canadian waters to report their presence.
Documents obtained by The Globe and Mail under access to information law say it was hunters - rather than Canadian authorities - who spotted the sub and relayed it to the Canadian Rangers, lightly armed reservists paid to keep a lookout for foreign intrusions.
The vessel was spotted at the northern end of Baffin Island near a hunting camp early on Aug. 9, and the hunters were adamant about what they saw, the military was told. "[They] reported it was very close and [there] does not appear to be any thoughts on the part of the person reporting that it was not a sub," one soldier's e-mail said later that day.
The sighting took place only days after the explosion was witnessed in the same area - an incident that was reported across the country after Parks Canada staff talked to journalists. The report of this July 31 detonation in the waters off Borden Peninsula came from a location only 10 to 15 kilometres away from the later submarine incident, one military e-mail said.
A husband and wife team of hunters who witnessed the July 31 explosion said their "whole cabin shook" from the blast and thick black smoke - "the type ... seen at a garbage dump" - rose from the water.
But as the Canadian Forces fielded questions on the explosion, the military was careful to try to keep the later sub sighting under wraps, documents show. It rewrote planned responses to journalists about the explosion to remove references to the submarine - "we are separating the two incidents" - and instructed staff to be in "reactive ... posture" on the vessel sighting, meaning they only were to broach the issue if asked directly about it.
Yesterday, naval Lieutenant Jordan Holder, a spokesman for Joint Task Force North, said he could not divulge what soldiers found during their probe of the sub sighting. "I am not at liberty to discuss the investigation or results." However, he said no link was found between the submarine sighting and the earlier explosion.
Rob Huebert, associate director of the University of Calgary's Centre for Military and Strategic Studies, said it's possible U.S., British, Russian or even French subs could have been operating in the area.
"Nobody wants to face up to the fact that in the Arctic we're starting to see everybody resuming naval operations again," he said.
Last summer, Russia announced plans to increase the "operational radius" of its northern sub fleet.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090320.wsubmarine20/BNStory/National/home
Military scrambled over foreign sub sighting
Forces tried to keep August sighting, explosion in High Arctic under wraps
OTTAWA — The Canadian Forces quietly scrambled an investigative team to the High Arctic last August to probe what it considered a "reliable" report of a foreign submarine sighting near the eastern entrance of the Northwest Passage - all the while trying to keep a public-relations lid on the matter, documents show.
The sub sighting occurred kilometres away from the location of a mysterious explosion that had been reported to authorities 10 days earlier and made news across Canada.
Today, the military refuses to discuss what it found last summer after probing the sub incident, citing operational security. Its silence on the possible underwater incursion - of a sort Canada is relatively powerless to detect or stop - stands in stark contrast to the clamour Ottawa makes when NORAD detects and intercepts approaching Russian bombers.
The sub sighting is a reminder of Canada's difficulty with enforcing its sovereignty in the increasingly contested Arctic. The incident occurred even as officials in Ottawa were planning a trip for Prime Minister Stephen Harper to the region. It was only three weeks later that he tried to reassert Canada's claims over the Passage and Arctic, announcing Ottawa would now require foreign vessels entering Canadian waters to report their presence.
Documents obtained by The Globe and Mail under access to information law say it was hunters - rather than Canadian authorities - who spotted the sub and relayed it to the Canadian Rangers, lightly armed reservists paid to keep a lookout for foreign intrusions.
The vessel was spotted at the northern end of Baffin Island near a hunting camp early on Aug. 9, and the hunters were adamant about what they saw, the military was told. "[They] reported it was very close and [there] does not appear to be any thoughts on the part of the person reporting that it was not a sub," one soldier's e-mail said later that day.
The sighting took place only days after the explosion was witnessed in the same area - an incident that was reported across the country after Parks Canada staff talked to journalists. The report of this July 31 detonation in the waters off Borden Peninsula came from a location only 10 to 15 kilometres away from the later submarine incident, one military e-mail said.
A husband and wife team of hunters who witnessed the July 31 explosion said their "whole cabin shook" from the blast and thick black smoke - "the type ... seen at a garbage dump" - rose from the water.
But as the Canadian Forces fielded questions on the explosion, the military was careful to try to keep the later sub sighting under wraps, documents show. It rewrote planned responses to journalists about the explosion to remove references to the submarine - "we are separating the two incidents" - and instructed staff to be in "reactive ... posture" on the vessel sighting, meaning they only were to broach the issue if asked directly about it.
Yesterday, naval Lieutenant Jordan Holder, a spokesman for Joint Task Force North, said he could not divulge what soldiers found during their probe of the sub sighting. "I am not at liberty to discuss the investigation or results." However, he said no link was found between the submarine sighting and the earlier explosion.
Rob Huebert, associate director of the University of Calgary's Centre for Military and Strategic Studies, said it's possible U.S., British, Russian or even French subs could have been operating in the area.
"Nobody wants to face up to the fact that in the Arctic we're starting to see everybody resuming naval operations again," he said.
Last summer, Russia announced plans to increase the "operational radius" of its northern sub fleet.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090320.wsubmarine20/BNStory/National/home
I tried to follow up on this story just a few weeks ago, to see whatever came of that incident...and there was nothing to report at all.
Interesting how the plot thickens...a large explosion, then a submarine being spotted? And by hunters no less, not even authorities?? Hmmmmmmmmm...
Interesting how the plot thickens...a large explosion, then a submarine being spotted? And by hunters no less, not even authorities?? Hmmmmmmmmm...
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Probably just a meteor strike that killed the whales. So what... are we to speculate the Russians did this just to test our defensive strategy? I wouldn't put all the eggs in that basket yet. Ubique
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Whatever the cause of the explosion, be it seismic activity, or someone lighting whale farts on fire one thing stands out throughout this thread. The ranger's (or someone) reported this explosion to authorities, and it took them a week to get up there to investigate. Innocent or not, if we as a nation are to make a credible claim to arctic resources, should we not show a bit more interest in a possible threat? Even if it was nothing it would display a more serious stance than what was evidently shown.
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Good call RIGGER052,as a nation we need to show a more aggressive demeanor in regards to our national sovereignty. There should be a team up there right now, not just investigating this action, but showing the world that we are indeed in control of our lands. Ubique
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I'll do my bit to feed the conspiracy theories......
Here's a pic...taken just last week.....of the USS Annapolis (USS 760), home-ported in Groton, Connecticut, sitting in the eastern Arctic Ocean.....
Coincidence?
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Here's a pic...taken just last week.....of the USS Annapolis (USS 760), home-ported in Groton, Connecticut, sitting in the eastern Arctic Ocean.....
Coincidence?
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