Navy to potentially create training ships on great lakes

[Master Jack Carter]

It was interesting that the Rush-Bagot Treaty differentiated between Navy and Armed Coast Guard and have apparently continued that distinction even when the Coast Guard has effectively become an inshore navy.

Other countries engage their Coast Guard as an armed division of the Navy as well.

So our issues seem to be derived from our adamantly civilian Coast Guard. And its complete separation from the RCN.

If there was free movement between the Coast Guard, or at least a Patrol section, and the Navy, then it seems to me a bunch of problems would disappear.

Navalize one portion of the Coast Guard for armed patrols and leave the Navaids, science and SAR to the civilians.

Most of the new generation CCG Ships Crew (SC) would love to be operating like the US Coast Guard, but even after the takeover of the Canadian Coast Guard by the Canadian Armed Forces a few months ago, the Ships Officers (SO) who have all gone to the Canadian Coast Guard College, are opposed to military chain of command and military style operations. They mostly do Navigation Aid maintenance, Buoy Repairs and Maintenance at shoreside repair stations, delivering supplies to Manned Lighthouses (an epic waste of taxpayer dollars), sitting around bobbing like a buoy waiting during Search & Rescue (SAR) operations, with the lucky ones getting a chance to support a RCN OP. West Coast send one ship once a year for a few months to break up ice up north, and for CCG Sailors it is like getting a tour of duty overseas on a UN OP, a big thrill for them.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Most of the new generation CCG Ships Crew (SC) would love to be operating like the US Coast Guard, but even after the takeover of the Canadian Coast Guard by the Canadian Armed Forces a few months ago, the Ships Officers (SO) who have all gone to the Canadian Coast Guard College, are opposed to military chain of command and military style operations. They mostly do Navigation Aid maintenance, Buoy Repairs and Maintenance at shoreside repair stations, delivering supplies to Manned Lighthouses (an epic waste of taxpayer dollars), sitting around bobbing like a buoy waiting during Search & Rescue (SAR) operations, with the lucky ones getting a chance to support a RCN OP. West Coast send one ship once a year for a few months to break up ice up north, and for CCG Sailors it is like getting a tour of duty overseas on a UN OP, a big thrill for them.

The Canadian Armed Forces did not take over the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard was moved to DND. DND and CAF are not the same thing and you need to understand the difference.

 

[dapaterson]

And CCG remains a special operating agency.

 

[Kirkhill]

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I figure, before the GOC 2 Div gets to grips with what his Continental Div is supposed to do, and what it is supposed to look like, and how to manage the Army's share of 100,000 PRES and 300,000 MRES, somebody needs to shake out this mob.

Once that is done figure out what the Yanks, Northcom, NATO and the RCAF are up to.
Then come to grips with what the Coast Guard and the RCN are doing
Then figure out what CANSOFCOM is contributing.
Then figure out what 3rd (Manoeuvre) Div is contributing Domestically, in the Arctic and Continentally.
Then figure out what 4th (Support) Div plans to supply in ready response resources.
And check in with Health Serevices and the Military Police.

After that life is easy.
All that is necessary is to fall in behind and cover off the blank files with Arctic Response Company Groups, Immediate Reaction Units, Combined Arms Battle Groups and Territorial Battle Groups/Brigades.
And keep track of a few hundred thousand civilians.

Easy money.

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Add to that who is a constable, who is a soldier and how big a gun each gets and where and when they are allowed to carry and use them.

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Then, maybe, we can revisit the issue of marine patrols of inland and border waters.