Navy to replace official Heart of Oak march with ‘more inclusive’ music

[Rainbow1910]

I as well, am not a fan of imported traditions. I danced a jig they day the RCN jettisoned Trafalgar day and introduce Niobie day . I am far to nationalistic to put up with someone else's celebration.

Indeed, I feel Canada should be founding our own traditions and acting like the independent nation that we ultimately are. I've always found it somewhat amusing that many are nearly fetishistic about defending traditions that are simply imports from our time as a colony, especially when you realize how many Canadian were so unhappy about a lot of these "traditions" and methods back from the Mainguy Report and earlier. It is one thing to honour where we came from however, I see little point in wallowing around in somebody else's traditions and distinctions in perpetuity.

 

[FJAG]

Indeed, I feel Canada should be founding our own traditions and acting like the independent nation that we ultimately are. I've always found it somewhat amusing that many are nearly fetishistic about defending traditions that are simply imports from our time as a colony, especially when you realize how many Canadian were so unhappy about a lot of these "traditions" and methods back from the Mainguy Report and earlier. It is one thing to honour where we came from however, I see little point in wallowing around in somebody else's traditions and distinctions in perpetuity.

Every tradition has a first day. I see nothing wrong with having new traditions take hold.

On the other hand, to simply root out and toss traditions aside because they come from an earlier era (and isn't that what tradition are) and have an orgy of backroom boys creating new ones because they want to redefine who we are as a nation, is not merely stupid but counterproductive. It creates unnecessary resentment.

There is an equal amount of fetishism by small groups of people who simply want to have everyone accept their vision of what is right and proper and who believe that everyone should dance to their change agenda. I hate the term "woke," but this rush to marginalize traditions and anything that doesn't fit their view of things is "wokeism" and should be resisted.

Traditions are organic. They grow out of day-to-day experiences. If we truly are a nation with an individual identity (and I believe that Canada is) then new traditions will grow over time and replace the ones that no longer define us.

 

[dapaterson]

Traditions are organic. They grow out of day-to-day experiences. If we truly are a nation with an individual identity (and I believe that Canada is) then new traditions will grow over time and replace the ones that no longer define us.

And then the old farts willfully and deliberately undermine the Army commander to get their way.

 

[daftandbarmy]

And then the old farts willfully and deliberately undermine the Army commander to get their way.

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Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[FJAG]

And then the old farts willfully and deliberately undermine the Army commander to get their way.

This reminds me of a number of projects I did with First Nations. If Chief and Council don't sit down and work out a consensus with the elders before foisting a new plan on the people then it's their own fault when the shit hits the fan.

Some things get done by fiat but when it comes to tradition - it's consensus all the way or it's fuhgeddaboutit.

 

[btrudy]

Traditions are organic. They grow out of day-to-day experiences. If we truly are a nation with an individual identity (and I believe that Canada is) then new traditions will grow over time and replace the ones that no longer define us.

Some traditions could be considered at least somewhat organic (e.g. 1000 soup). But stuff like "The RCN's official march past" is the opposite of that. Not only was the establishment of it as the march past not organic (since we simply blindly copied what the Brits had), the fact that we already have an official march past inhibits any chance for any organic tradition to develop; we've already got one, there's no room for a new one to be adopted organically.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... we've already got one, there's no room for a new one to be adopted organically.

And it will be a delicate juggle, as @FJAG summed up, balancing the need for new and the lack of need to jettison the old just because it's old. Inertia also applies to a train already rolling, not just getting a still train moving.