New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Swampbuggy]

How about the Type 31.

I think that’s a little big and crew intensive for what they’re looking for. It’s essentially a somewhat less capable HALIFAX, so I think that might be overkill.

 

[Maxman1]

I think that’s a little big and crew intensive for what they’re looking for. It’s essentially a somewhat less capable HALIFAX, so I think that might be overkill.

They're projected to have a crew of 80, so more than the Kingstons but significantly less than the Halifax.

 

[JMCanada]

15 CSC (205 crew) 3075
8-12 Submarines crewed with a mix of German and allies sailors under an international agreement (60 crew) 720
4 JSS crewed with GOC crew and the RCN we need to operate them. (60 crew) 240
6 Corvettes. 57mm, 35mm, 12 NSM, Sea ram (60 crew) 360
6 MCM type ships (44 crew) 264
6 AOPS (68 crew) 408
2 Military sealift ships (all civilian)

The number one issue here is personnel, can't really abacate for 18 CSC when don't have the bodies.

6 AOPS x 68
6 MCM/OPV (Vigilance) x 40?
4 JSS x 60
16 non combatants = 888

6 SSK batch I (off the shelf) x60?
6 SSK batch II ( more Arctic capable) x60?
12 subs = 720

6 CSC (River) ASW/GP x205
6 CSC AAW (with 48-64 VLS cells) x205?
6 Tier 2/Corvettes/light frigates x 90-110?
6 Arsenal/large optionally crewed vessels x 8-16?
24 (18+6) Combatants = 3048-3216

Then, after this is done... I would like to see the new Dutch project of 6 ships to replace their OPVs and LPDs. If comes out to be great, I would like ... 4 such ships, revised to be also "Arctic-capable", as kinda amphibious / HADR.

 

[JMCanada]

How about the Type 31.

The EPC also has her small mission bay.

 

[Swampbuggy]

They're projected to have a crew of 80, so more than the Kingstons but significantly less than the Halifax.

Sure, but that seems light for DC in a vessel that is longer and displaces more than a CPF. I don’t know if that crew number is super realistic, crew burnout is a real worry. Look what happened to the LCS guys, reportedly.

 

[Maxman1]

Any update on that Vard design? And would there be any value in it mounting a 57mm to reuse the guns from the CPFs?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Instant bliss for who? you? I hope you wished for the sudden influx of personnel we would need to actually pull that off. We can get creative with how we normally crew the ships.

15 CSC (205 crew) 3075
8-12 Submarines crewed with a mix of German and allies sailors under an international agreement (60 crew) 720
4 JSS crewed with GOC crew and the RCN we need to operate them. (60 crew) 240
6 Corvettes. 57mm, 35mm, 12 NSM, Sea ram (60 crew) 360
6 MCM type ships (44 crew) 264
6 AOPS (68 crew) 408
2 Military sealift ships (all civilian)

The number one issue here is personnel, can't really abacate for 18 CSC when don't have the bodies.

Interesting that the crew of the Corvette you purpose is 8 less than an AOPS but yet the Corvette listed has a 57mm, a 35mm,12 NSM and Sea Ram and the AOPS has a 25mm and a pair of 50cals.

The last CSC is 25yrs out and I’m sure the last sub will be as well but yet here we are wringing our hands on personnel shortages 20-25yrs into the future. That’s a lot, a lot of runway to solve the problem.

A new recruit coming into the RCN right now will more than likely be retired with a full pension when the last CSC or Sub enters service. Good chance I’ll be dead by then as well as I’ll be 80 at that point.

The South Korean subs have a compliment of 50 and the Type 212CD have a crew of 27(!?!). 12 Type 212CD x 27 = 324, saving of over 50% in crewing needs.
Divest the AOPS to the CCG frees up the crew needs of 2 CSC at 408 crew members.