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New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

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Yes Canada's ice breaking fleet is going to be pretty amazing and Russia is struggling to finish their P2220 Class to replace their older heavy icebreakers. I have to chuckle at US claims about the importance of the Arctic, when you look at the state of their icebreaking fleet.
 
Looking forward to the first complete block

 
This is the Seaspan press release for the awarding of the Polar Class Icebreaker, gleam from it what you will, they are claiming they are going to build 21 Icebreakers for the CCG, my guess is the PR person likley included the 4 non-icebreakers for the CCG they have already built.

According to this, they have cut steel on this ship, which is a pretty significant milestone:

 
I think there is a fundamental difference you need to consider with the USCG; they are part of the US military, are fully armed and forward deploy warships places like the gulf to protect the USN and do similar ops to what we do with the RCN.
Sorry for the late arrival on this.

The USCG isn’t part of DoD, and hasn’t been since 9/11 stood up DHS. The USCG is a branch of DHS like ICE, HSI and CBP. Even before the formation of DHS the USCG was a muddled entity, part of DoD but also not due to constitutional limitations.

The USCG has LE Dets that conduct law enforcement activities as Federal LE under the DHS mandate. The Law Enforcement Detachments are the ones that conduct boardings and LE activities within the US boundary as Posse Comitatus Act forbids the usage of US military personnel for domestic LE roles/tasks.

During a war (as declared by Congress) control of the USCG falls under the USN and they become effectively a branch of the US Military, but the LE Det’s remain Federal LE.
 
Sorry for the late arrival on this.

The USCG isn’t part of DoD, and hasn’t been since 9/11 stood up DHS. The USCG is a branch of DHS like ICE, HSI and CBP. Even before the formation of DHS the USCG was a muddled entity, part of DoD but also not due to constitutional limitations.

The USCG has LE Dets that conduct law enforcement activities as Federal LE under the DHS mandate. The Law Enforcement Detachments are the ones that conduct boardings and LE activities within the US boundary as Posse Comitatus Act forbids the usage of US military personnel for domestic LE roles/tasks.

During a war (as declared by Congress) control of the USCG falls under the USN and they become effectively a branch of the US Military, but the LE Det’s remain Federal LE.
Also the only US federal agency that can respond directly to a disaster without the request of a State Governor. The other US forces like to make fun of the USCG, but I find that the average US citizen holds them in high regard, and from my experience with them that regard is well deserved. Their Lifeboat crews are second to none and are sort of a Guard within the the Guard.
 
Also the only US federal agency that can respond directly to a disaster without the request of a State Governor. The other US forces like to make fun of the USCG, but I find that the average US citizen holds them in high regard, and from my experience with them that regard is well deserved. Their Lifeboat crews are second to none and are sort of a Guard within the the Guard.
While everyone loves to pick on them, they have a lot of unique capabilities, from HITRON to their Rescue Swimmers, as well as a fair decent Naval capability to that exceeds many medium countries in terms of capabilities, and a larger Maritime Helicopter community than most countries entire rotary wing fleets.
 
My guess is that lobby groups in the US will work hard to sink this deal, does not matter if they can't deliver, but they don't want to share their pie.

 
My guess is that lobby groups in the US will work hard to sink this deal, does not matter if they can't deliver, but they don't want to share their pie.


They don't want an AOPs ?
 
My guess is that lobby groups in the US will work hard to sink this deal, does not matter if they can't deliver, but they don't want to share their pie.

That actually works in our geopolitical favour in a number of ways. US wants continental defence, and they can't provide it up north. The longer they take to sort out their icebreaker situation the better position we are as we'll be more icebreaker heavy, more ice operations, more understanding of what's going on, and helping out Alaska with various problems.
 
Sorry for the late arrival on this.

The USCG isn’t part of DoD, and hasn’t been since 9/11 stood up DHS. The USCG is a branch of DHS like ICE, HSI and CBP. Even before the formation of DHS the USCG was a muddled entity, part of DoD but also not due to constitutional limitations.

The USCG has LE Dets that conduct law enforcement activities as Federal LE under the DHS mandate. The Law Enforcement Detachments are the ones that conduct boardings and LE activities within the US boundary as Posse Comitatus Act forbids the usage of US military personnel for domestic LE roles/tasks.

During a war (as declared by Congress) control of the USCG falls under the USN and they become effectively a branch of the US Military, but the LE Det’s remain Federal LE.

How does DHS liaise with Northern Command? I thought that Northern Command relied on the USCG as its "Navy". And the Air Force National Guard is the air component.
 
How does DHS liaise with Northern Command? I thought that Northern Command relied on the USCG as its "Navy". And the Air Force National Guard is the air component.
DHS has liaisons in various DoD HQ’s just like DoD has some in DHS.

I have no direct knowledge of exactly how the USCG interacts outside of the LEO mission. The LE Det activities are handled by DHS, as the USN cannot board vessels inside CONUS waters. In terms of how the cutters are handled, your guess is as good as mine.

The Air Guard is different as for it’s not separated from the regular USAF as it goes for active aircraft responding, as they aren’t responding in a LE role.
 
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