New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[FSTO]

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Give me two pieces of factual evidence that Oriole contributes to CAF readiness.

same amount as the GG Foot Guards or the Snow Birds?

 

[Stoker]

Bearing the limited training area in mind, a return to the West Coast and some sort of cost- and time-sharing arrangement with CJCR would be interesting.

Plenty of expenditures CJCR-side that provide less value than, basically, buying whatever Oriole time the Navy doesn't want.

The agreement at the time was a swap sending Tuna out west to operate alongside Goldcrest. As Oriole was in pretty shit state when she arrived from the West Coast, I doubt if they'll be sending her back out there. The best anyone should hope is selling her to an interested party and wash their hands of her.

 

[dapaterson]

same amount as the GG Foot Guards or the Snow Birds?

Precisely. I would can those as well.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Wrt the Oriole, that is funded out of the very limited pot of money left over once the submarines, CPFs, and now AOPs get money for maintenance. Available funding has been smaller than real demand for at least 15 years, so there is both an acute and cumulative effect of continuing to maintain it that has directly and indirectly impacted capabilities.

It has directly gotten funding that would have otherwise gone towards MCDVs, tugs, barges, dive tenders and other support vessels that directly support actual operational capabilities.

It also came up on top of needing a major refit at the cost of several million dollars to bring it up to basic SOLAS requiremetns the same time as CFAV Quests needed a DWP to stay operational, so we lost one of the quietest ships on the planet that did a lot of unique research for some Admirals pet yacht.

I hope the Oriole is disposed of with cleansing fire, on land, maybe after some time getting crapped on by enough seagulls that it becomes a hazmat zone, and smolders into an embarassing remnant of poor decisions and wasted time and effort.

 

[dapaterson]

Wrt the Oriole, that is funded out of the very limited pot of money left over once the submarines, CPFs, and now AOPs get money for maintenance. Available funding has been smaller than real demand for at least 15 years, so there is both an acute and cumulative effect of continuing to maintain it that has directly and indirectly impacted capabilities.

It has directly gotten funding that would have otherwise gone towards MCDVs, tugs, barges, dive tenders and other support vessels that directly support actual operational capabilities.

It also came up on top of needing a major refit at the cost of several million dollars to bring it up to basic SOLAS requiremetns the same time as CFAV Quests needed a DWP to stay operational, so we lost one of the quietest ships on the planet that did a lot of unique research for some Admirals pet yacht.

I hope the Oriole is disposed of with cleansing fire, on land, maybe after some time getting crapped on by enough seagulls that it becomes a hazmat zone, and smolders into an embarassing remnant of poor decisions and wasted time and effort.

... or put a piano on board and let the air det have a mess dinner...

 

[Underway]

Give me two pieces of factual evidence that Oriole contributes to CAF readiness.

Sure. It's a cheaper platform to operate than the Orcas that allows sailors to develop multiple seamanship skills. Many Reqs early training packages get signed off. Navigation, seamanship, watch rotations, safety.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Wrt the Oriole, that is funded out of the very limited pot of money left over once the submarines, CPFs, and now AOPs get money for maintenance. Available funding has been smaller than real demand for at least 15 years, so there is both an acute and cumulative effect of continuing to maintain it that has directly and indirectly impacted capabilities.

It has directly gotten funding that would have otherwise gone towards MCDVs, tugs, barges, dive tenders and other support vessels that directly support actual operational capabilities.

It also came up on top of needing a major refit at the cost of several million dollars to bring it up to basic SOLAS requiremetns the same time as CFAV Quests needed a DWP to stay operational, so we lost one of the quietest ships on the planet that did a lot of unique research for some Admirals pet yacht.

I hope the Oriole is disposed of with cleansing fire, on land, maybe after some time getting crapped on by enough seagulls that it becomes a hazmat zone, and smolders into an embarassing remnant of poor decisions and wasted time and effort.