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New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

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Considering the multi year refits of the Halifax Class are in the vicinity of 500M and increasing as they often have to replace structure and even then delays and Halifax dockyard work makes a refit of the class a very very expensive endeavor. Its almost worth it to buy a few light frigates to tide us over and make them the deployers. Eventually talking those if in good condition to give or sell to an allied nation.
 
Stoker said:
Considering the multi year refits of the Halifax Class are in the vicinity of 500M and increasing as they often have to replace structure and even then delays and Halifax dockyard work makes a refit of the class a very very expensive endeavor. Its almost worth it to buy a few light frigates to tide us over and make them the deployers. Eventually talking those if in good condition to give or sell to an allied nation.
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I think you may be on to something. What's available out there ?
 
Keeping in mind the threat will not always be subs, but the things like the Chinese fishing fleet, which are really an arm of the PLAN. Coupled with armed drone boats. Throw in the task of playing bumper boats with the Chinese "Coastguard" and what we and the Philippines need is a ship with ice breaking steel and thickness, but more speed to escort supply vessels and can happily engage in bumper boating.

Also would love to see one of the western navies have a modern version of this. Multiple rapid fire medium calibre guns, with an armoured belt to fend off drone boat attacks , add in modern sensors and missiles for defense and for Anti-ship. Along with excess power generation capability for upcoming weapon systems like Lasers and railguns.

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Kirkhill said:
armyrecognition.com

U.S. Navy eyes Coast Guard cutter as new frigate class after Constellation cancellation

The U.S. Navy is considering a U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter-based frigate after canceling most Constellation-class program ships.
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More speculation about the navy building more National Security Cutters.
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Well, this should make a transition over to Navy a bit easier.

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The NSC is built to about 90% military standards. The NSC has a steel hull and steel superstructure with steel bulkheads. Ballistic protection is provided for the main gun. The cutter's crew-served weapons can have steel ballistic shields attached for protection.<a

The NSC is designed to U.S. Navy damage stability criteria and to level-1 survivability standards.The cutters have a reduced radar cross-section, which gives the cutters a higher degree of stealth over the past cutters. The NSC uses a modified version of the same stealthy mast design as the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.
 
Maxman1 said:
I have to ask why they didn't go that route in the first place and does the USN have the discipline to not FUBAR this plan as well?
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Because the National Security Cutter design fundamentally isn't what the USN exactly wants, given it has limitations in the kind of sensor and weaponry suite it can fit without very extensive upgrading. It can likely fit something like 16 cells, no AEGIS and a less capable sensor suite in comparison to what they wanted Constellation to do as well.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
I have to ask why they didn't go that route in the first place and does the USN have the discipline to not FUBAR this plan as well?
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Exactly. Ingalls did enter the original competition fo the contract with a derivative of the Legend class cutter modified to meet the requirements of the competition, but it was rejected in favour of the Italian FREMM. Both design -as presented - met the USN requirements for a frigate, but I think the USN picked the FREMM because they saw the potential for turning it into a baby destroyer in the course of finalizing the deign.

We saw the result.

If you want to go for an actual frigate that is a kin to the old OHP but modern version, the Ingalls design IMHO is a winner: It meets the "75% of what a destroyer can do" - except area air defense - while it is a design that is quick and cheap to build.

Personally, I say crank them out!
 
Rainbow1910 said:
Because the National Security Cutter design fundamentally isn't what the USN exactly wants, given it has limitations in the kind of sensor and weaponry suite it can fit without very extensive upgrading. It can likely fit something like 16 cells, no AEGIS and a less capable sensor suite in comparison to what they wanted Constellation to do as well.
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They didn't want the constellation's to do that at the beginning. Aegis (as in the SPY radars) were not part of the original requirements, only AEGIS as a combat system for whatever would be fitted. The many upgrades to full SPY/AEGIS happened after the contract was let out.

Not even the French or the Italians put the larger and heavier radars required for area air defense on the FREMMs. They put them on the much larger Horizon/Orrizonte class vessels.
 
Stoker said:
Considering the multi year refits of the Halifax Class are in the vicinity of 500M and increasing as they often have to replace structure and even then delays and Halifax dockyard work makes a refit of the class a very very expensive endeavor. Its almost worth it to buy a few light frigates to tide us over and make them the deployers. Eventually talking those if in good condition to give or sell to an allied nation.
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Halifax Tar said:
I think you may be on to something. What's available out there ?
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Daegu Class from SK? Too much?

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