New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Stoker]

Considering the multi year refits of the Halifax Class are in the vicinity of 500M and increasing as they often have to replace structure and even then delays and Halifax dockyard work makes a refit of the class a very very expensive endeavor. Its almost worth it to buy a few light frigates to tide us over and make them the deployers. Eventually talking those if in good condition to give or sell to an allied nation.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Considering the multi year refits of the Halifax Class are in the vicinity of 500M and increasing as they often have to replace structure and even then delays and Halifax dockyard work makes a refit of the class a very very expensive endeavor. Its almost worth it to buy a few light frigates to tide us over and make them the deployers. Eventually talking those if in good condition to give or sell to an allied nation.

I think you may be on to something. What's available out there ?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Keeping in mind the threat will not always be subs, but the things like the Chinese fishing fleet, which are really an arm of the PLAN. Coupled with armed drone boats. Throw in the task of playing bumper boats with the Chinese "Coastguard" and what we and the Philippines need is a ship with ice breaking steel and thickness, but more speed to escort supply vessels and can happily engage in bumper boating.

Also would love to see one of the western navies have a modern version of this. Multiple rapid fire medium calibre guns, with an armoured belt to fend off drone boat attacks , add in modern sensors and missiles for defense and for Anti-ship. Along with excess power generation capability for upcoming weapon systems like Lasers and railguns.

 

[NavyShooter]

I suggest that as Canadians, we should simply look back in history and bring back a form of Project Habakkuk.

No foamies here....

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[Kirkhill]

I suggest that as Canadians, we should simply look back in history and bring back a form of Project Habakkuk.

No foamies here....

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It has the advantage that a pykrete Arctic OPS would stay in the arctic.

 

[dapaterson]

I suggest that as Canadians, we should simply look back in history and bring back a form of Project Habakkuk.

No foamies here....

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The main question: will the ice be from Quebec?

 

[Kirkhill]

The main question: will the ice be from Quebec?

No but the wood chips in the pykrete wiil be by Abitibi.

 

[Kirkhill]

U.S. Navy eyes Coast Guard cutter as new frigate class after Constellation cancellation

The U.S. Navy is considering a U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter-based frigate after canceling most Constellation-class program ships.

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More speculation about the navy building more National Security Cutters.

 

[DBNSG]

I think you may be on to something. What's available out there ?

Well there are some unfinished Constellations and a couple of USCG OPV's.

 

[DBNSG]

I think you may be on to something. What's available out there ?

So the Bulgarians are launching two of these. Scary how close it is to Topshee's concept.

Bulgaria’s First MMPV 90 Corvette Begins Sea Trials - Naval News

The first of two MMPV 90 corvettes for the Bulgarian Navy commenced sea trials sea trials in Varna Bay and Black Sea in November 2025.

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[Czech_pivo]

So the Bulgarians are launching two of these. Scary how close it is to Topshee's concept.

Bulgaria’s First MMPV 90 Corvette Begins Sea Trials - Naval News

The first of two MMPV 90 corvettes for the Bulgarian Navy commenced sea trials sea trials in Varna Bay and Black Sea in November 2025.

www.navalnews.com

I like the 76mm on it instead of 57mm. Nothing like a bit of extra punch to reach out and smack someone about the face.

 

[DBNSG]

I like the 76mm on it instead of 57mm. Nothing like a bit of extra punch to reach out and smack someone about the face.

Remember though that great Philosopher Mike Tyson. "Everybody got a plan till you get punched in the Face"

 

[Rifleman62]

I like the water cannon also. The UK could use these in the English Channel.

 

[Czech_pivo]

U.S. Navy eyes Coast Guard cutter as new frigate class after Constellation cancellation

The U.S. Navy is considering a U.S. Coast Guard National Security Cutter-based frigate after canceling most Constellation-class program ships.

armyrecognition.com

More speculation about the navy building more National Security Cutters.

Well, this should make a transition over to Navy a bit easier.

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The NSC is built to about 90% military standards. The NSC has a steel hull and steel superstructure with steel bulkheads. Ballistic protection is provided for the main gun. The cutter's crew-served weapons can have steel ballistic shields attached for protection.<a

The NSC is designed to U.S. Navy damage stability criteria and to level-1 survivability standards.The cutters have a reduced radar cross-section, which gives the cutters a higher degree of stealth over the past cutters. The NSC uses a modified version of the same stealthy mast design as the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I have to ask why they didn't go that route in the first place and does the USN have the discipline to not FUBAR this plan as well?

 

[Rainbow1910]

I have to ask why they didn't go that route in the first place and does the USN have the discipline to not FUBAR this plan as well?

Because the National Security Cutter design fundamentally isn't what the USN exactly wants, given it has limitations in the kind of sensor and weaponry suite it can fit without very extensive upgrading. It can likely fit something like 16 cells, no AEGIS and a less capable sensor suite in comparison to what they wanted Constellation to do as well.