New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Kirkhill]

AOPS shouldn't be sent anywhere where it is vulnerable to the threats your describe, just like how we did not send CPF's into the Red Sea as they were not adequately able to deal with the threat environment at hand. Putting a 57mm gun aboard the ships isn't sufficient insurance to risk valuable vessels and their crews in peacetime against these threats.

Won't we have enough for them to do just doing the job they were originally intended to do? Running backwards and forwards from Esquimalt and Halifax to the ice edge, keeping 2 or three permanently on station between in the Beaufort and Baffin areas?

Angus mused about getting a big ship for the arctic. He has six ships for the arctic, and a couple of Coast Guard ones as well. Perhaps he could start integrating those lily pads with JTFN.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Won't we have enough for them to do just doing the job they were originally intended to do? Running backwards and forwards from Esquimalt and Halifax to the ice edge, keeping 2 or three permanently on station between in the Beaufort and Baffin areas?

Angus mused about getting a big ship for the arctic. He has six ships for the arctic, and a couple of Coast Guard ones as well. Perhaps he could start integrating those lily pads with JTFN.

Yes, AOPS has their hands full as it is between their own duties and now taking on MCDV duties. Doing CPF duties is totally untenable.

 

[Underway]

So when have we (since the 1980's) sent a ship that wasn't actually a warship for a combat type scenario? Gulf war was warships, some were converted with new equipment but they were still warships. MCDV's haven't done a single warship job that I can think of outside of the MCM tasks.

Honestly this "desperate" Ottawa thing doesn't really line up with the reality short of a shooting war for the navy. Army yes, it kinda does but navy not so much. If we are legitimatley desperate (like total war situation) then all the normal boundaries and guardrails are out anyways. Wooden guns on whaling ships, armed yachts and all that. Total war does that, and if that's the case the actual warships might not last that long anyways, to be replaced with whatever we have left.

 

[NavyShooter]

I'll point at the "Combat Tanker" stories from the Gulf War....and yes, we have put non warships into warship roles.

 

[Underway]

I'll point at the "Combat Tanker" stories from the Gulf War....and yes, we have put non warships into warship roles.

The tanker is a combatant. It goes in the forward echelon with the warships. But it's not doing a warship role, its doing the tanker role with the warships. Give me one example where a non-combatant ship was used in recent history for a role a combatant was necessary. I'm happy to eat crow but I think this is a zombie lie. It may have been true but hasn't been true for a long time. There isn't an example in the last 25 years of that happening that I know of.