New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Stoker]

I think it is actually a 280 story from the 1980s.

Even recently when Asterix first came from Davie to Halifax and came early the unions at Davie was pissed that they were laid off early. When the ship arrived and got all that extra work while in Halifax they found willful damage such as elevators wires cut and all the RAS gear stuffed with trash. They found out that the hard way when they were doing RAS trials. Word is HDW is in shit state at Davie and delayed, was supposed to sail down just before Christmas. Point is its not limited to one yard. Lots of stories of ships up the river in refit that the unions dragged their feet so freeze up would delay them.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Even recently when Asterix first came from Davie to Halifax and came early the unions at Davie was pissed that they were laid off early. When the ship arrived and got all that extra work while in Halifax they found willful damage such as elevators wires cut and all the RAS gear stuffed with trash. They found out that the hard way when they were doing RAS trials. Word is HDW is in shit state at Davie and delayed, was supposed to sail down just before Christmas. Point is its not limited to one yard. Lots of stories of ships up the river in refit that the unions dragged their feet so freeze up would delay them.

Obliviously people need to be held accountable for their actions and fired accordingly.

But then the old line, 'Snitches get stiches', comes into play doesn't it?

 

[Stoker]

Obliviously people need to be held accountable for their actions and fired accordingly.

But then the old line, 'Snitches get stiches', comes into play doesn't it?

You'd be surprised what unions get away with.

 

[Kirkhill]

This quote from a researcher at the Munich Security Conference as relayed through Murray Brewster and @Good2Golf


"We are currently seeing the rise of political actors who do not promise reform or repair, but who are very explicit about wanting to tear down existing institutions, and we call them the demolition men," Eisentraut said at the same briefing.

"What drives many of them is frustration with the liberal trajectories their societies have followed, and which they argue put their countries at risk of civilizational decline.

Post in thread '2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO'

Saturday at 09:23

More on France’s nuclear umbrella, vis-a-vis non-US deterrence. Note explicit mention of Poland and Germany discussing such with France. Others as well, no doubt.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-france-europe-nuclear-weapons-9.7089805

And Canada’s coming to the day of reckoning on its own security future.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/munich-security-trump-carney-9.7077801

• Good2Golf

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What is the point, the purpose of laws if nobody enforces them? More laws mean more worries for the law-abiding while the law-breakers ignore them and go unpunished?

Dockyard workers, protesters, gun-toting criminals, mass-murderers, smugglers, foreign agent, pirates....

Confidence in the system is lost because through a combination of fear of the consequences, and the cover offered by well meaning laws and good intentions, nobody acts.

Nobody acts, and at the same time they complain about how dire the situation is, and, prevent others from acting.

Enforcing the law or defending the nation requires the same determination from our representatives.

"They either fear thir fates too much,
Or else their desserts are small,
If they dare not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all"

Montrose, 1650, while awaiting execution for supporting the wrong side.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

A RN focused paper arguing for better 30mm mounts and to have them more prevalent. They argue against the 40mm on the basis of ammunition costs and ready magazine depth .

The case for enhancing the Royal Navy’s 30mm gun - Navy Lookout

 

[Rainbow1910]

Davie talked a huge game trying to muscle their way into the NSS, only to go entirely silent and apparently be unable to even deliver a pair of ferries to Transport Canada after gobbling up a bunch of money from the Quebec Government. At this point, Davie seems less interested in bringing its Canadian operation up to speed and getting on with its NSS contracts, and more interested in buying foreign shipyards to boost their overall profit abroad. They've already began farming out work that should be done in Canada to their new Finnish Helsinki yard for their Polar Icebreaker, to the point that we don't actually know how much work on this ship will actually be done in Canada.

Davie has 1 Polar Icebreaker and 6 Program Icebreakers, the latter is being farmed out abroad seemingly and the former haven't been started. Before we start talking about handing them CDC work, maybe they should get to work finishing their yard work and working on what they've already been given?

Commande de deux traversiers | La construction se fait attendre chez Davie

Pendant qu’il grandit en Finlande et aux États-Unis, Davie est enlisé dans un important contrat ici. Six ans après avoir obtenu une commande de Transports Canada pour deux traversiers parce qu’il était considéré comme le seul à pouvoir remettre la marchandise à temps, le chantier maritime de...

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As a follow on from this previous news, CDR Magazine released some info clarifying how Davie will be producing its "Polar Max" icebreaker for the Canadian Coast Guard.

The Government of Canada requires Polar Max to be delivered to Canada by 2030. To guarantee timely delivery, Davie is executing a dual-build approach across two continents, building the hull at Davie-owned Helsinki Shipyard, while Davie and its partners lead superstructure work and final integration in Levis, Quebec, thereby allowing major work to proceed simultaneously and faster. Just five months after contract signing, Davie launched Polar Max hull construction at Helsinki Shipyard, with the first block entering drydock on August 20, 2025; an NSS record and a milestone virtually unheard of in Canadian shipbuilding for a vessel of this scale and complexity. This accelerated start runs in parallel with Davie's major upgrade program in Levis, Quebec, so that once the hull is transported to Canada, final assembly, systems integration, and delivery can be completed in Levis, speeding delivery while building Canadian capacity and jobs.

"Polar Max project shows that Canada can deliver complex ships faster and more predictably by combining innovation, international collaboration and disciplined execution," said James Davies, CEO of Davie. To support its work under the National Shipbuilding Strategy, Davie launched a $840-million modernization program at its Levis shipyard, supported by a $519-million investment from the Government of Quebec. The program includes the construction and modernization of facilities, improvements to waterfront infrastructure and the deployment of digital shipbuilding systems. These investments support Davie's ability to deliver multiple NSS programs, including program icebreakers and the Polar Max icebreaker, while sustaining a long-term skilled workforce at the Levis shipyard.

So Davie is sending the entire hull construction (and seemingly most of the major equipment inside it) for the Polar Max over to its newly purchased Helsinki Shipyard, while the superstructure and "systems integration" will be built/added at a later date in Levis. For all of the time and money that is being funneled into the Levis yard, it's increasingly looking like it will be many years before they actually build any amount of a notable vessel. They did this with MV Asterix as well, shopping out major parts of the conversion to overseas yards and putting it together in Levis. Not a lot of icebreaker construction going on within the self proclaimed "National Icebreaker Centre".

It is amusing to see what Davie can get away with and maintain its goodwill, while Seaspan or Irving would be likely brought before Parliament if they tried to farm out major chunks of their shipbuilding to foreign workers in a foreign country.

 

[DBNSG]

As a follow on from this previous news, CDR Magazine released some info clarifying how Davie will be producing its "Polar Max" icebreaker for the Canadian Coast Guard.


So Davie is sending the entire hull construction (and seemingly most of the major equipment inside it) for the Polar Max over to its newly purchased Helsinki Shipyard, while the superstructure and "systems integration" will be built/added at a later date in Levis. For all of the time and money that is being funneled into the Levis yard, it's increasingly looking like it will be many years before they actually build any amount of a notable vessel. They did this with MV Asterix as well, shopping out major parts of the conversion to overseas yards and putting it together in Levis. Not a lot of icebreaker construction going on within the self proclaimed "National Icebreaker Centre".

It is amusing to see what Davie can get away with and maintain its goodwill, while Seaspan or Irving would be likely brought before Parliament if they tried to farm out major chunks of their shipbuilding to foreign workers in a foreign country.

So what you are saying is that Quebec based things are special?

Madame Joly looked like She won something to day at CAE.

 

[suffolkowner]

As a follow on from this previous news, CDR Magazine released some info clarifying how Davie will be producing its "Polar Max" icebreaker for the Canadian Coast Guard.


So Davie is sending the entire hull construction (and seemingly most of the major equipment inside it) for the Polar Max over to its newly purchased Helsinki Shipyard, while the superstructure and "systems integration" will be built/added at a later date in Levis. For all of the time and money that is being funneled into the Levis yard, it's increasingly looking like it will be many years before they actually build any amount of a notable vessel. They did this with MV Asterix as well, shopping out major parts of the conversion to overseas yards and putting it together in Levis. Not a lot of icebreaker construction going on within the self proclaimed "National Icebreaker Centre".

It is amusing to see what Davie can get away with and maintain its goodwill, while Seaspan or Irving would be likely brought before Parliament if they tried to farm out major chunks of their shipbuilding to foreign workers in a foreign country.

whats the rush on the Polar Max? Got to keep up with Seaspan?

 

[GR66]

whats the rush on the Polar Max? Got to keep up with Seaspan?

Maybe because Trump keeps talking about having to own the Arctic in order to protect the USA?

I'm fine with Davie doing this to speed up delivery. We need ships as fast as we can get them just so long as production of additional vessels shifts to Canada as soon they have the capacity and workforce. Ideally we should be getting at least four to six Polar Max icebreakers...two or three per coast (or 2 x Pacific and 4 x Atlantic) to adequately cover our Arctic territories.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Is Esquimalt Harbour big enough to hold 3 AOPs, 7 larger RCD and 2 JSS? That’s more than 100,000 tons of warships. It was packed before with 2 and 4 squadron, plus minesweepers, gate vessels, tanker and visiting ships.

 

[YZT580]

whats the rush on the Polar Max? Got to keep up with Seaspan?

or the Diefenbaker is about to sink at its moorings

 

[DBNSG]

Is Esquimalt Harbour big enough to hold 3 AOPs, 7 larger RCD and 2 JSS? That’s more than 100,000 tons of warships. It was packed before with 2 and 4 squadron, plus minesweepers, gate vessels, tanker and visiting ships.

How is Jetty A's reconstruction going?