New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Colin Parkinson]

I'd put money on Davie having their eyes on a submarine rescue capability down the road too. That's something that their Federal Fleet Services group could provide, and it'd be available for international assistance as well.

Probably something they could deliver much faster than the RCN could design/procure/implement as well.

I don't trust Davie enough to be beholden to them, happy for them to milk the rest of NATO.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There are too many jobs where a surface ship is required for that to work.

It depends on how we fit ourselves into alliances and envision ourselves independently.

We need to stop thinking about how to do things on the cheap, and embrace the fact we have the 10th largest economy in the world, based largly on trading. We have no excuse for penny pinching, particularly when it comes to our navy.

Agreed.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Its terrible that they'll make money based on the needs of others.....

Imagine an economic system so heartlessly selfish that people could only better themselves by meeting the needs of others.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Imagine an economic system so heartlessly selfish that people could only better themselves by meeting the needs of others.

Da Tovarish!

 

[lenaitch]

This quote from a researcher at the Munich Security Conference as relayed through Murray Brewster and @Good2Golf


"We are currently seeing the rise of political actors who do not promise reform or repair, but who are very explicit about wanting to tear down existing institutions, and we call them the demolition men," Eisentraut said at the same briefing.

"What drives many of them is frustration with the liberal trajectories their societies have followed, and which they argue put their countries at risk of civilizational decline.

Post in thread '2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO'

Saturday at 09:23

More on France’s nuclear umbrella, vis-a-vis non-US deterrence. Note explicit mention of Poland and Germany discussing such with France. Others as well, no doubt.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-france-europe-nuclear-weapons-9.7089805

And Canada’s coming to the day of reckoning on its own security future.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/munich-security-trump-carney-9.7077801

• Good2Golf

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What is the point, the purpose of laws if nobody enforces them? More laws mean more worries for the law-abiding while the law-breakers ignore them and go unpunished?

Dockyard workers, protesters, gun-toting criminals, mass-murderers, smugglers, foreign agent, pirates....

Confidence in the system is lost because through a combination of fear of the consequences, and the cover offered by well meaning laws and good intentions, nobody acts.

Nobody acts, and at the same time they complain about how dire the situation is, and, prevent others from acting.

Enforcing the law or defending the nation requires the same determination from our representatives.

"They either fear thir fates too much,
Or else their desserts are small,
If they dare not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all"

Montrose, 1650, while awaiting execution for supporting the wrong side.

With respect to apparent deliberate damage /sabotage of vessels at shipyards, criminal law is great - if you have evidence, and I suspect dockworkers aren't that dumb to do what they do in front of witnesses. Papering the place with cameras likely isn't practical and would probably end up languishing in labour hearings. It is quite possible that management is either in on it or at least turns a blind eye - it extends the work.

It's management's job to deal with unions, not the customer. The biggest threat would be 'keep this shit up and you're all out of work', but I suspect everybody knows it is a hollow threat.

 

[Navy_Pete]

With respect to apparent deliberate damage /sabotage of vessels at shipyards, criminal law is great - if you have evidence, and I suspect dockworkers aren't that dumb to do what they do in front of witnesses. Papering the place with cameras likely isn't practical and would probably end up languishing in labour hearings. It is quite possible that management is either in on it or at least turns a blind eye - it extends the work.

It's management's job to deal with unions, not the customer. The biggest threat would be 'keep this shit up and you're all out of work', but I suspect everybody knows it is a hollow threat.

In ISI case, the way they manage their workers is probably a big part of it. They are absolutely ruthless and will lay someone off Friday to call them back in Wed if there is a small schedule break, and also screw around a lot of people in the management side.

As their biggest customer, we bear the brunt of it when people do shitty things to get back at the employer.

At least in the last 20 years or so they've gotten rid of some of their particularly slimy managers that would absolutely cut corners and try and sell us dogshit as meeting the spec, and blame it on us for not providing better specs, even when high pressure welds were failing visual inspections.

 

[RangerRay]

We need to stop thinking about how to do things on the cheap, and embrace the fact we have the 10th largest economy in the world, based largly on trading. We have no excuse for penny pinching, particularly when it comes to our navy.

Absolutely. All my life, I have heard from the “Little Canada” people. Left, right and centre, they think and talk like Canada is the economic equivalent to Albania. “We can’t do this. We can’t do that. We’re so poor!” We’re one of the richest countries in the world, dammit. It’s about friggin’ time we started to act like it.

 

[Brad Sallows]

We’re one of the richest countries in the world, dammit. It’s about friggin’ time we started to act like it.

We do. We spend a lot of money on ourselves. The problem isn't our fiscal capacity; the problem is how we've chosen to apply it.

 

[YZT580]

Absolutely. All my life, I have heard from the “Little Canada” people. Left, right and centre, they think and talk like Canada is the economic equivalent to Albania. “We can’t do this. We can’t do that. We’re so poor!” We’re one of the richest countries in the world, dammit. It’s about friggin’ time we started to act like it.

and we are no better. Go back and read the "woe is me we can't get people to do this or that. And we only have 10 years we can't possibly man all those ships.