New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[Underway]

If dry stream is "never go to sea" then the CAF needs to reign in the RCN - the technical term for a MARS / NWO who never goes to sea is a civilian, and those positions need to be appropriately changed.

The wet and dry list has existed since I joined, it was always unofficial and informal, though recognized by leadership out loud eventually (2007 approx). Now its formalized in a different way.

You can join the Staff officer stream at any point in time in the new org . And as far as "never go to sea" that's not entirely true. They deploy where the operations staff are required, as part of a task group commanders team, overseas with allied navies, in a deployed HQ and so on. Just won't be permanent positions for them on ship. More like air det. This is a trained career path with its own career development stream. These are the watch officers ashore, the admirals operational planning staff, UXV's detachments, harbour security, NTOG, Clearance Divers, and a whole host of other things.

Frankly civilians can't do this job.

 

[Underway]

Its actually not required. And too many are turning down the opportunity. It was a major topic of discussion on our most recent Log symposium, from their occupation management side.

So they are choosing to never get promoted. Unless Log is waiving that requirement now for Sea Log. Well that's a thing I guess.

 

[FSTO]

The wet and dry list has existed since I joined, it was always unofficial and informal, though recognized by leadership out loud eventually (2007 approx). Now its formalized in a different way.

You can join the Staff officer stream at any point in time in the new org . And as far as "never go to sea" that's not entirely true. They deploy where the operations staff are required, as part of a task group commanders team, overseas with allied navies, in a deployed HQ and so on. Just won't be permanent positions for them on ship. More like air det. This is a trained career path with its own career development stream. These are the watch officers ashore, the admirals operational planning staff, UXV's detachments, harbour security, NTOG, Clearance Divers, and a whole host of other things.

Frankly civilians can't do this job.

There is a finite number of Command positions and many of us realized at a point in our careers that we weren't going to get there but we could have rewarding careers as a MARS/NWO non the less.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So they are choosing to never get promoted. Unless Log is waiving that requirement now for Sea Log. Well that's a thing I guess.

Seems so. I know a LCdr with absolutely zero time posted to a ship.

Lots of people want that 8-4 with out any of the Navy bits it seems.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There is a finite number of Command positions and many of us realized at a point in our careers that we weren't going to get there but we could have rewarding careers as a MARS/NWO non the less.

One must become comfortable with the level they have risen too. Its a hard concept for many to grasp.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Royal Navy Started Building 2 46,400 Lion-Class Battleships: 130,000 Horsepower, 9 16-Inch Guns and None Ever Sailed

HMS Lion and HMS Temeraire were designed to displace 46,400 tons at deep load. Construction records put assembled material at 218 tons and 121 tons.

www.19fortyfive.com

Florida company 3D prints a drone boat using robotic arms

A Florida company that started out printing furniture with giant robotic arms is now applying that same technology to something considerably more consequential, building drone boats for the U.S. military layer by layer instead of piece by piece. Haddy, a

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Two ends of the spectrum.

I suspect the RCD will find itself at the same end as Lion Class Battleships.

There is a lot more room for growth, and rapid growth, with 9 day builds than with 3 decade programs.

2026 to 2036 with an out date of 2050.
Suppose we compare that to this timeline:
1936 to 1946 with an out date of 2060 (Edit: Typo - meant to say 1960).
I think the rate of change currently is at least comparable to that of WW2.

I agree we should plan based on available evidence and known knowns.

However, I think we have to stay alive to the possibility that the future may be something else entirely.

 

[suffolkowner]

not exactly Canadian but some more business for Davie-Finland

Finland’s Aino Icebreaker to Be Built by Helsinki Shipyard - Helsinki Shipyard

Helsinki | Pori | Finland – 19 August 2026 Helsinki Shipyard (DNY Finland Oy) has been selected to build Finland’s new icebreaker called Aino. The procurement by the Finnish Transport Infrastructure Agency marks the beginning of a new generation of Finland’s icebreaker fleet. Construction of the...

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Railotech icebreaker design

Finland’s new medium‑class icebreaker is moving into the tender phase. With advanced hull design, efficient propulsion, and future‑proofed energy solutions, the vessel is set to reshape winter maritime operations in the Baltic. Service entry planned for 2029.

railotech.fi

 

[Colin Parkinson]

A interesting way to do multi-role vessels, pollution response and mine-laying. Possibly the future lesson is the possibility to build a number of vessels that have input from the CCG and RCN, run by CCG unless needed by the RCN. Provides hulls with less stress on the RCN personal systems.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Contracts and timeline let out for the six medium icebreakers, to replace the 1200 class;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/carney-icebreakers-announcement-quebec-9.7318504?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Contracts and timeline let out for the six medium icebreakers, to replace the 1200 class;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/carney-icebreakers-announcement-quebec-9.7318504?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-ca

Looks like they won’t be building g the CDC’s then?

 

[deepblue202]

I hope they still do build the CDC's but from a few smaller ship yards ie. Ontario shipyard building in modular shipbuilding.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

To my mind, the CDC should be a sort of emergency program. Modules built in various smaller yards, barged to one or two finishing yard for assembly on the East coast and one on the west coast. The finishing yards could be the three yards selected for large vessels. The all ought to be able to have one or two CDC in for just final assembly of blocs and fitting out on top of what they are doing at the time. There are enough small yards to produce the blocs on the East coast (I can think of four or five easy between ON, QC, NL and NS). One more small yard might have to be stood up altogether on the West coast to have three.

 

[DBNSG]

To my mind, the CDC should be a sort of emergency program. Modules built in various smaller yards, barged to one or two finishing yard for assembly on the East coast and one on the west coast. The finishing yards could be the three yards selected for large vessels. The all ought to be able to have one or two CDC in for just final assembly of blocs and fitting out on top of what they are doing at the time. There are enough small yards to produce the blocs on the East coast (I can think of four or five easy between ON, QC, NL and NS). One more small yard might have to be stood up altogether on the West coast to have three.

In the Spirit of the NSS those blocs should be assembled at the old Saint John Drydock as its still owned by Irvings and the City could use the boost.

 

[Underway]

Rumour mill has CDC scope changing. Also that we'll find out in the new Fall Defence Policy.

 

[DBNSG]

Rumour mill has CDC scope changing. Also that we'll find out in the new Fall Defence Policy.

Scope as in more hulls, more missions, more shipyards? or is the elevator going down?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Scope as in more hulls, more missions, more shipyards? or is the elevator going down?

Somehow I’ve got a bad feeling that Rivers fall to 6 and CDC’s come in around 15