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New drones could save troops' lives: Senator

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New drones could save troops' lives: Senator
Stewart Bell National Post Wednesday, August 29, 2007
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Canadian troops in Afghanistan urgently need new spy planes, in part so they can spot where the Taliban is planting roadside bombs, says the chairman of the Standing Committee on National Security and Defence.

Senator Colin Kenny said the government should skip the normal tendering process for military contracts and buy state-of-the-art unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, for the Canadian Forces in Kandahar.

"I would be very happy if they said, 'Look, we have to make a major purchase of these at some point but we're going to sole-source six or eight, whatever the appropriate number is, to deal with Afghanistan, and we need them now,' " he said.

UAVs are small, remote-control planes with cameras mounted on them -- flying robots that soar above conflict zones, providing a bird's-eye view that allows troops to watch the movements of enemy forces.

In Afghanistan, Canada uses French-made CU-161 Sperwer UAVs. While the Sperwers have proven effective, they do not work in the intense heat of the Kandahar summer and cannot fly for more than a few hours at a time.

During a nighttime firefight with the Taliban in July, for example, the Sperwer was not able to stay airborne for the entire battle. The ground troops were left without an eye in the sky for up to two hours at a time while UAVs were brought down and relaunched.

The crews that operate the UAV program are said to be growing frustrated with the Sperwers, which have been flying only during cooler nighttime temperatures this summer. Some soldiers believe Canadian lives could have been saved if they had more up-to-date UAVs.

The Canadian Forces would not comment on any shortcomings of the Sperwer, saying that doing so would only help the Taliban.

"It's not good to talk about those things," said Lieutenant Paul Finnemore, public affairs officer for the Chief of the Air Staff.

He said the military had no plan to replace the Sperwer until at least 2009, when Canada's Afghan mission is scheduled to end.
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It would be really nice if something were to come out of this.

With full kudos to the crews who operated the Sperwer on ROTO 3 they pushed the Sperwer to its limits and did some really great work.  It definately was an effective combat multiplier. However, it is not designed for the job that it is doing. Having seen the thing in operation at the receiving end there are issues beyond just short flight wndows and flight length.
The truth is that it gets (easily) trumped everytime when compared to systems like the Predator (and other comparable systems) in terms of flight length and flexibility.  Plus if you arm the dam thing you can Find, Fix, and Strike with one Weapon/ Sensor platform.

But then who is going to operate it and Force Generate for it.  The AF wants nothing to do wih the system we have now...and the Artillery (AD) are doing the Ground Support...

 
Very interesting article. I still don't understand how these drones find roadside bombs. I mean its a small chance that at the exact moment and place that thing is flying that a insurgent will decide to set up their roadside bomb. I do see its application in the field giving a large real life view of the battlefield.
 
R.O.S said:
Very interesting article. I still don't understand how these drones find roadside bombs. I mean its a small chance that at the exact moment and place that thing is flying that a insurgent will decide to set up their roadside bomb. I do see its application in the field giving a large real life view of the battlefield.

There are a number of ways current and future UAV assist with locating IED.  I'm not going into any detail here (OpSec), but having spoken with some people on the various teams, there's some neat stuff being done.  If the projects bear fruit, it'll save lives.
 
ParaMedTech said:
I'm not going into any detail here (OpSec),

Nor would I want you to. As long as the system saves lives, it's a great investment.
 
Look at the discovery chanel...
Without going opsec, archeologists have been using aerial surveying techniques to find long lost places.
If a place has ever been dug up, EVER, it will show on their surveys... we're talking about things buried over 1000 years ago - so, one day, one year, one century, one eon, it's all the same to good photo interpretation.
 
What the hell are we waiting for, Just buy them already. The U.S i'm sure would sell us a few of their nice little all weather drones. If it will help save the lives of our troops, it's well worth whatever the cost.

Kudo's to the senator.  :salute:

 
I just read an article within the last week that said the opposite - same story, but instead of saying it would save lives, it implies that it put lives at risk...

Surveillance drones fall short, soldiers say
Limits to capabilities put troops at risk during firefights with Taliban
David ********, CanWest News Service
Published: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=94c387fd-27ab-4bbe-ad1a-e6528f64faca
(This story will be removed from this link within 30 days, so apologies to copyright rules, will need to post key information here:)

Canadian troops in Afghanistan are being put at risk because of the limited capabilities of the aerial drones which provide them with surveillance, say soldiers on the ground.
The use of Sperwer unmanned aerial vehicles in Kandahar is being hindered by extremely hot temperatures, the aircraft's limited endurance as well as serviceability issues, military officers said privately.
Defence Department officials in Ottawa declined, for reasons of operational security, to discuss specifics related to the Sperwer's performance.
Liberal Senator Colin Kenny, chairman of the Senate's defence committee, said he has also heard about the UAV concerns from Kandahar, a situation that should prompt the government to immediately deal with the problem. Kenny said if the solution is to purchase a new UAV then, "someone should be out there with a cheque right now."
 
uh, greymatter, two articles saying the same thing:

The Sperwer isn't up to the job, and a new UAV should be purchased.

 
ParaMedTech said:
uh, greymatter, two articles saying the same thing:

It must be just me then - the title makes it look like two different viewpoints. 
 
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