No Charges in AFG Checkpoint-Shooting Death

[KevinB]

Four months on a Investigation resulting in the Death of Friendlies or Foreign Nationals seems like  a wiz bang fast forward.   

:   Sorry that is then what is 100% fucked up with the CF MP branch.

ANYONE who gives credence to a story by a local about coalition actions is a MORON.  I've seen some chnage their stories 3-4 times trying to make it look like we where at fault.

 

[2 Cdo]

There is no blame in this case, regarding the time duration of it.

As far as foot dragging, its probally the last thing any LEO wants to see or happen. However we are hamstrung with the Justice System and the previously mentioned factors. How you can say that the ordinary Military Policemen/Women or Investigators have contributed to them,  only illustrates your lack of knowledge and understanding in the matter.

But in a case of Apples vs Oranges, Recruitment & Enlistment can take up to a year or more, And a year  teaching you your left foot from your right, then God knows how long in PAT.
                                         
Four months on a Investigation resulting in the Death of Friendlies or Foreign Nationals seems like  a wiz bang fast forward.

I guess my first hand knowledge has resulted in "my lack of knowledge and understanding". :

Infidel, well said!

 

[FastEddy]

:   Sorry that is then what is 100% ****ed up with the CF MP branch.

ANYONE who gives credence to a story by a local about coalition actions is a MORON.  I've seen some chnage their stories 3-4 times trying to make it look like we where at fault.

Well you've answered your own question, if that's the case, no wonder it took four months to get it straight and in favour of our personnel.

 

[FastEddy]

I guess my first hand knowledge has resulted in "my lack of knowledge and understanding". :

Infidel, well said!

Yes I can well imagine, you've had lots of first hand knowledge and dealings with the Military Police.

 

[GAP]

Afghan family awaits payout
Monday July 10, 2006  -  The Chronicle Herald
By JOHN COTTER The Canadian Press
http://thechronicleherald.ca/World/515313.html


KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — The family of an Afghan civilian fatally shot by a Canadian soldier at a vehicle checkpoint has heard nothing about a federal report that cleared the soldier of any wrongdoing and says it still has not received any compensation.

"No one told us, we are not aware of that," said Farid Ahmed, 23, Hassan’s eldest son, through an interpreter.

"Our father was innocent and he was killed. He left a wife and children behind and a lot of memories. It is my request for Canadians to please do something for us. We can’t survive easily."
More on link

 

[2 Cdo]

Yes I can well imagine, you've had lots of first hand knowledge and dealings with the Military Police.

Yes, but not in any way you are implying! : I've also had lots of experience dealing with people who won't take ANY responsibility for their own limitations or their trades limitations!

 

[GO!!!]

"Our father was innocent and he was killed. He left a wife and children behind and a lot of memories. It is my request for Canadians to please do something for us. We can’t survive easily."

I can think of 17 Canadians who gave everything for Afghanistan, all of whom have families.

In the link, the family demands to come to Canada and be paid compensation.

Seek it from the driver who got your father killed.

 

[geo]

GO!
the same as we would over here..... people try to claim from those with the deepest pockets.  The cab driver had nothing and has nothing..... so they look to us for their salvation.  We don't have an obligation towards them........... or do we?

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

no we don't

 

[GAP]

And this from the Globe and Mail

Afghans barred from seeking compensation from Canada
Canadian Press - Globe & Mail - 4:36 PM EDT ON 10/07/06
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060710.wafghanliable0710/BNStory/Front

Afghan civilians who are accidentally injured or killed, or whose property is damaged by Canadian soldiers have no legal right to compensation under an undisclosed arrangement signed by the two countries last year.

Instead, restitution to mostly dirt-poor villagers depends upon an obscure claims process that would provide payments under “moral considerations,” say heavily censored documents obtained by The Canadian Press under access to information laws.

In the course of combat operations, “Canadian personnel will not be liable for any damages to private or government property,” said a briefing note prepared for Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor on the accidental shooting of a civilian last March in Kandahar
More on link

 

[The Bread Guy]

Still, this doesn't (appear) to reflect the reality on the ground....

Excerpt from
Blatchford, Christie.  “Cat and mouse Afghan fight claimed Canadian soldier's life.”  Globe & Mail online, 10 Jul 06, viewed at http://tinyurl.com/h8ckw .

“The soldiers always do a "battle damage assessment," which at first I thought meant a tally of ground gained and lost, but in fact is the process by which the Canadians determine if they have taken action that saw, say, a farmer's wall damaged by a vehicle, and then arrange to fix the wall. This Canadian niceness does not extend to battles in which they are engaged by the Taliban, but still, as Major Fletcher said, it's an easy enough gesture to make.”

Anyone in country - how true is this?  Makes sense from a "hearts and minds" perspective, and can still be done without "Big Brother" admitting liability, no?

 

[FastEddy]

Yes, but not in any way you are implying! : I've also had lots of experience dealing with people who won't take ANY responsibility for their own limitations or their trades limitations!

Ah !, so you agree that ones Trade may have limitations, therefore it would be fair to suggest that those executing those Trades would also be limited in their performance of that Trade and restricted by those limitations.

Therefore a individual working within the cofines and limitations of that Trade, can  attribute their degree of performance to the Trade and its limitations.

It would appear that your vast experience and dealings is especially related to the Military Police Branch and qualifies you to illuminate on all matters concerning it.

 

[2 Cdo]

Ah !, so you agree that ones Trade may have limitations, therefore it would be fair to suggest that those executing those Trades would also be limited in their performance of that Trade and restricted by those limitations.

Therefore a individual working within the cofines and limitations of that Trade, can  attribute their degree of performance to the Trade and its limitations.

It would appear that your vast experience and dealings is especially related to the Military Police Branch and qualifies you to illuminate on all matters concerning it.

Yes, I said all trades have limitations. I also said I have a problem with people who won't take any PERSONAL responsibility for their limitations. I guess we know which camp you're in! :

 

[FastEddy]

Yes, I said all trades have limitations. I also said I have a problem with people who won't take any PERSONAL responsibility for their limitations. I guess we know which camp you're in! :

With reference to the case in question, you are suggesting that the MP are and should be responsible for the, what might be deemed an excessive length of time for the completion of the investigation. There is no set time limit for the completion or submission of any Major Investigative Report. Such, depends entireally on the individual case and the evidence and facts surrounding it.

Your personal feelings are simply, "you feel that the findings appeared to have been a long time coming". But you go on to suggest that its due to the inefficiency of the MP, that they deliberately delayed it and now won't admit it. I suggest that you contact the Director of the NIS and inform him of your suspicions, as I'm sure he would definitely like to know how poorly his staff and the MP are doing.

That clearly outlines your attitude and which Camp you're in.

 

[KevinB]

Hey Fast Eddy -- playign Devil's advocate -- you have no proof that 2CDO is wrong either 

  From watching how other coalition countries do investigations like this - it should have been done in a week.


Heck if I shoot someone the investigation takes like 30min...

 

[2 Cdo]

Hey Fast Eddy -- playign Devil's advocate -- you have no proof that 2CDO is wrong either 

  From watching how other coalition countries do investigations like this - it should have been done in a week.


Heck if I shoot someone the investigation takes like 30min...

Exactly, but in Fast Eddy's world MP's are infallible. :

 

[FastEddy]

Exactly, but in Fast Eddy's world MP's are infallible. :

As we well know, where the human factor is involved, that is sadly impossible.

However, we do try harder.

With regard to the preponderance of the circumstances, it would suggest you are wrong.

 

[vonGarvin]

Heck if I shoot someone the investigation takes like 30min...

If that's the case, do you do freelance work? 

;P


Just kidding

 

[geo]

would say that part of the problem lies in the mandate of what the MPs are asked to do...... Do we do a board of inquiry for every death?