Noise and Light Discipline - Need Help
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While out in the field, it would be almost impossible to maintain absolute silence in a Svc Bn setting, simply for the fact that we work with trucks.
Having said that, there are ways to do things the "smart" way: i.e. find suitable lay-up areas for the packets that would minimize noise disruption.
As for lights: black-out drive. The lay-up areas are there to let drivers to adjust to the light conditions.
I hope this is what you‘re referring to.
Having said that, there are ways to do things the "smart" way: i.e. find suitable lay-up areas for the packets that would minimize noise disruption.
As for lights: black-out drive. The lay-up areas are there to let drivers to adjust to the light conditions.
I hope this is what you‘re referring to.
Devlin
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Well... sort of
I am in a Svc Bn and will be giving a short lecture on noise and light discipline and I am looking for ideas and suggestions around these two items. The reason I am posting here is because I can‘t find any decent info anywhere else. Kind of after some tips and tricks they don‘t teach while on course. The kind of stuff that comes through experience.
I am in a Svc Bn and will be giving a short lecture on noise and light discipline and I am looking for ideas and suggestions around these two items. The reason I am posting here is because I can‘t find any decent info anywhere else. Kind of after some tips and tricks they don‘t teach while on course. The kind of stuff that comes through experience.
Well, I usually let the CSM and the Snr NCOs deal with that sort of stuff...
Most of the light and noise discipline that one learns from basic training applies.
Some tricks that may or may not be applicable I have learned:
i.e. to mark a trail where soldiers use often but might get lost in the dark, instead of using glow sticks, use paracord as a sort of "hand rail"... again not sure if that‘s the sort of stuff you‘re looking for since it doesn‘t apply to individual soldiers
- another (again involving string) is for inter-trench signalling.
-when being sentry near the entrance, if the sentry has to signal an incoming packet to let them know where the entrance is, might have to give the packet some time to react.
-careful about slamming doors and working with tailgates.
That‘s about the best I can do... I usually sit in the CP. :warstory: But I hope that helps
Most of the light and noise discipline that one learns from basic training applies.
Some tricks that may or may not be applicable I have learned:
i.e. to mark a trail where soldiers use often but might get lost in the dark, instead of using glow sticks, use paracord as a sort of "hand rail"... again not sure if that‘s the sort of stuff you‘re looking for since it doesn‘t apply to individual soldiers
- another (again involving string) is for inter-trench signalling.
-when being sentry near the entrance, if the sentry has to signal an incoming packet to let them know where the entrance is, might have to give the packet some time to react.
-careful about slamming doors and working with tailgates.
That‘s about the best I can do... I usually sit in the CP. :warstory: But I hope that helps
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klumanth
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When going about a move, turn all trucks on and off at the same time. This makes it hard to tell how many trucks there are.
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Ghillie
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How about that real soldier skills. Avoid white light use filters (red) on all your flashlights. This will also serve your sentries and harbour guides for night recognition signals. Usually given in your O group as a number like 5 where if you get three red you respond with two red flashes. In giving your lecture you might also review challenging procedures so the young soldiers know how to use the night recognition signal in conjuction with the challenge.
In a recce CP setting we face many of the issues a Svc Bn faces regarding light noise and electro-magnetic signature. In my unit we bury our generators in trenches with lots of air space since most of them are air cooled. This muffles the sound. Also when we pull into a hide or harbour we dispatch our sentries out but everyone else stays on the veh. as previously mentioned they shut down together and then we give ourselves two minutes of dead silence without anyone moving. This allows you to listen for the enemy if present but also it gets the soldier into quiet,stealth mode. Conscious of their sound and light discipline committment. This is where your jnr leaders really take charge as the young soldier will model what he sees his crewcommander doing. When you get this right everything else comes into place.
A tight well disciplined Svc Bn is a pleasure to have in the field. One that isn‘t is an artilery magnet. Even our veh techs and gun plumbers that travel with the recce sqn share and have a vested right in light and noise discipline. Nobody likes to crash harbour at zero dark thirty and attempt to find hides and then re-establish the harbour but this too should be practiced.
Hope this helps
BG
In a recce CP setting we face many of the issues a Svc Bn faces regarding light noise and electro-magnetic signature. In my unit we bury our generators in trenches with lots of air space since most of them are air cooled. This muffles the sound. Also when we pull into a hide or harbour we dispatch our sentries out but everyone else stays on the veh. as previously mentioned they shut down together and then we give ourselves two minutes of dead silence without anyone moving. This allows you to listen for the enemy if present but also it gets the soldier into quiet,stealth mode. Conscious of their sound and light discipline committment. This is where your jnr leaders really take charge as the young soldier will model what he sees his crewcommander doing. When you get this right everything else comes into place.
A tight well disciplined Svc Bn is a pleasure to have in the field. One that isn‘t is an artilery magnet. Even our veh techs and gun plumbers that travel with the recce sqn share and have a vested right in light and noise discipline. Nobody likes to crash harbour at zero dark thirty and attempt to find hides and then re-establish the harbour but this too should be practiced.
Hope this helps
BG
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I‘m still new to the game, but I‘ve picked up a few tips on how to keep noise and light discipline.
1: use a red filter on your flashlight, but get a second red one and cut a small hole in the middle so that a small amount of white light filters through. This helps for reading maps.
2: If you need to use a flashlight, try as much as possible to keep it pointed down. Even with a filter on, our angle neck flashlights cast a beam that can be seen for at least a km. If you try to keep it pointed down, the light stays right in front of you and doesnt get blasted across the horizon.
3: This really applies in the artillery. When working as a group (in a gun det for example), only one person should have a flashlight on. It masks the number of people you have and minimizes the chances of being seen.
4: To reduce noise as much as possible, try to maximize the use or radios. Our unit uses motarolas and 521‘s at night to avoid any kind of yelling.
5: metal on metal has to be one of the loudest sounds you can make. A metal on metal percusion at night can travel forever. Try not to slam doors or tailgaits, or even dragging metal objects around in the back of an ML or HL.
6: something kinda basic here, establish a track-plan when light is good, so that at night you can walk around without using any light at all. This may seem common sense, but you wouldnt beleive how well it works.
I hope that helps, it‘s nothing special, and it may seem like common sense to most people, but it works.
1: use a red filter on your flashlight, but get a second red one and cut a small hole in the middle so that a small amount of white light filters through. This helps for reading maps.
2: If you need to use a flashlight, try as much as possible to keep it pointed down. Even with a filter on, our angle neck flashlights cast a beam that can be seen for at least a km. If you try to keep it pointed down, the light stays right in front of you and doesnt get blasted across the horizon.
3: This really applies in the artillery. When working as a group (in a gun det for example), only one person should have a flashlight on. It masks the number of people you have and minimizes the chances of being seen.
4: To reduce noise as much as possible, try to maximize the use or radios. Our unit uses motarolas and 521‘s at night to avoid any kind of yelling.
5: metal on metal has to be one of the loudest sounds you can make. A metal on metal percusion at night can travel forever. Try not to slam doors or tailgaits, or even dragging metal objects around in the back of an ML or HL.
6: something kinda basic here, establish a track-plan when light is good, so that at night you can walk around without using any light at all. This may seem common sense, but you wouldnt beleive how well it works.
I hope that helps, it‘s nothing special, and it may seem like common sense to most people, but it works.
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One of the habits we need to change is the red filter. Red filtered light stands out as much as white light when observed with NVGs. We have to start using blue filters. They are the most effective when observed with night vision eqpt. The green filter is not as good as blue, but better than red.
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But with blue lenses rivers on maps won‘t appear and we will fall in and drown 
All kidding aside thats really good to know about the nvg‘s and what they detect. I‘ve never heard it mentioned before and it makes a lot of sense considering the availability of night vision these days.
All kidding aside thats really good to know about the nvg‘s and what they detect. I‘ve never heard it mentioned before and it makes a lot of sense considering the availability of night vision these days.
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Ok, when navigating you should have one flashlight with the white (not clear) filter to use under the poncho. It reduces light output considerably and permits clear vision on the map, reducing the "fudge factor" and keeping Ghost alive, and dry !!!. Red filters should only be used when absolutely necessary (ie: signalling etc...)
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Noise discipline: most important rule, when driving an LS, don‘t hit the brakes.
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