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Nova Scotia ( Alleged) Poppy Ban issued by Judge

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You know Remembrance Day is close when judges, city councils, public schools and unions start banning the wearing of a Poppy to work.

FTR- I do believe the Indigenous Poppy is, in fact, a political statement. But wearing a poppy - either RCL or Indigenous - should never be banned by any public official, Honourable Judge or not….

 
Perhaps, it would help if the government, in its ads promoting the day, would stop talking about "remembering Canada's veterans". It's not veterans day, it's Remembrance day. It's not about us who serve or served, it's about those of us who didn't come back and made the ultimate sacrifice for the country. The confusion of adding all who served and turn it into something about veterans can be seen by some as a political message of support for military/war.

Absent friends!
 
Perhaps, it would help if the government, in its ads promoting the day, would stop talking about "remembering Canada's veterans". It's not veterans day, it's Remembrance day. It's not about us who serve or served, it's about those of us who didn't come back and made the ultimate sacrifice for the country. The confusion of adding all who served and turn it into something about veterans can be seen by some as a political message of support for military/war.

Absent friends!

^^^^ This 100000000%
 
In my opinion, Tim Houston and especially Barb Adams like to use the military as back drops for other political activities.

NS has a big CAF presence, not to mention how many Nova Scotians are posted elsewhere. Its just smart cricket to be seen on the side of the rank and file.

Also DND is a huge economic driver in the province. Again, smart cricket.

And Judges needs to stop being idiots.
 
Hate to pick nits, but did a judge issue the ruling, or a court administrator, or a provincial AG office? Still rates scrutiny re: is a poppy a “political” symbol (to me, it’s not), but let’s hound the right people in this :)
 
Provincial courts would be a provincially regulated workplace. This isn’t a federal legislation solve.
I get that, just wondering if there was a way to elevate the poppy as a official national symbol, putting it in a different category to address the Judges concerns about opening the flood gates?
 
I get that, just wondering if there was a way to elevate the poppy as an official national symbol, putting it in a different category to address the Judges concerns about opening the flood gates?
Not actually sure… I think this one will get resolved regardless.
 
I am unable to find any reference to the backstory preceding this judges order; just Houston's response.

I'm not sure some kind of legislation is the answer. It would have to be parallel federal and provincial laws and they would have to somehow define the image they are trying to protect. The Legion claims copyright on theirs and has been known to come down on well-meaning people simply trying to do their part.
 
Saw that -- should have been clearer: was it a judge, the judges en-masse (via the Executive Office of the Nova Scotia Judiciary) or the exec office staff? Also saw this in another story:
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The bit in yellow makes me think a cog in the wheel somewhere came up with the Good Idea Fairy Idea, but I'd love to know more. The bit in blue? With all respect to the judiciary, media statements aren't given under oath - love to hear about any similar policies in place elsewhere, because I've never heard of such a thing in Ontario.

The National Post gives a bit more sourcing & a fuller rationale from a spokesperson from NS Judiciary - highlights mine:
... The issue came to light after the Atlantic version of Frank Magazine reported Judge Ronda van der Hoek, associate chief judge of the Provincial Court, and Nova Scotia Supreme Court Justice Jean Dewolfe (of the family division), who both work out of the Kentville Justice Centre in the Annapolis Valley, did not want court staff wearing poppies in their courtrooms.

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No conversations about poppies occurred in the courtroom, according to Andrew Preeper, a spokesman for the Nova Scotia courts.

“Nor did a judge ban poppies from the courtroom,” Preeper said in an email Friday.

“Members of the public are welcome to wear poppies in the courthouse and courtroom. Staff who wished to wear poppies in the courtroom were advised to speak with the presiding judge and conversations, as needed, have occurred around that specific topic. It is within the discretion of the presiding judge. Typically, to protect the neutrality of the courtroom space, symbols of support are not permitted to be worn by judges or staff within the courtroom.”

To “ensure the fair administration of justice, the courts must be neutral and appear to be neutral at all times, particularly inside the courtroom,” Preeper said.

“Everyone appearing in court must feel that their case will be heard fairly and without bias. As a result, all judges and staff are expected not to wear any symbols of support in the courtroom.”

Preeper pointed to The Canadian Judicial Council’s Ethical Principles for Judges, which notes “the wearing or display of symbols of support, even if they seem innocuous … may be interpreted as reflecting a lack of impartiality or the use of the position of the judge to make a political or other statement. For those reasons, judges should avoid statements or visible symbols of support, particularly in the context of court proceedings.”

According to Preeper, “in order to respect these ethical principles and ensure a neutral hearing, staff are also asked not to wear symbols of support in the courtroom. The courts’ position on this matter is not unique to Nova Scotia.”
Again, love to hear from anyone who knows such things about that bit in blue.
 
. . . The bit in blue? With all respect to the judiciary, media statements aren't given under oath - love to hear about any similar policies in place elsewhere, because I've never heard of such a thing in Ontari

Again, love to hear from anyone who knows such things about that bit in blue.

A similar tale from Saskatchewan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sask...ot-allowed-to-wear-a-poppy-in-court-9.6966489
The veteran prosecutor wore a poppy on her gown Monday at Court of King's Bench at the start of a trial. She learned by email that it is not allowed because of a court "practice directive."

"It may open the flood gates to other items being worn on our gowns," she said of the directive's reasoning.

"The reason that gowns are worn are so that everybody looks the same, so that there is no issues or disparities between individuals. And that, if we start to wear poppies, that people may start wearing other adornments onto their gowns or make those requests."

The applicable directive.

GA-PD 5 Gowning Policy for Counsel / Politique d’habillement des avocats

3. Gowning means court shirt, court vest, tabs and robe, without additional
adornment. Dress pants or skirts are black, charcoal gray or morning stripe. Shoes
or pumps are black.

And the Nova Scotia Courts practice memorandum dealing with courtroom attire.
 
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A similar tale from Saskatchewan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sask...ot-allowed-to-wear-a-poppy-in-court-9.6966489


The applicable directive.

GA-PD 5 Gowning Policy for Counsel / Politique d’habillement des avocats



And the Nova Scotia Courts practice memorandum dealing with courtroom attire.
Thanks for that - much appreciated!

Interesting, considering this is also the case in SK:
 
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