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November 2015: Paris Bataclan attack/hostage taking

Cupper at the moment a majority of Americans do not favor taking Syrian refugee's.The Governors that are opposed are Republicans,so the Governors are reflecting the mood of the public.This refugee issue will work against the Democrats as we enter the election cycle.
 
opcougar said:
Even more stupid, is listening to Senator Ted Cruze (son of Mexican Immigrants), telling the president to only allow Christian Syrians into the US.  ::)

I see that you're applying the same amount of research and fact checking to Mr Cruze as you do to the rest of your opinions.
 
Jed said:
I concur. What is with these people that don't understand this obvious point?

Well.  For one, they don't want to have security checks done on them.  Is it arrogance?  Is it something they want to hide?  Whatever, it is, they somehow feel they are above us, and we should welcome their likes with open arms; ......and we are "RACISTS" if we don't.    ::)
 
milnews.ca said:
An intriguing Canadian angle on the ISIS claim of responsibility ....

A National Post reporter says a Canadian pro-ISIS Tweeter shared this audio (links to non-terrorist page) recorded in English that this Dalhousie post-doc Fellow says is in a Canadian accent.

Keep posting & podcasting, guys - if I can find this ....
The Mounties are following up on this ....
The RCMP is examining whether the voice on an audio recording attributed to ISIS and released in the wake of the Paris attacks belongs to a Canadian.

ISIS released audio statements in English and Arabic on Saturday, claiming responsibility for the co-ordinated Paris attacks Friday that claimed 129 lives.

Const. Annie Delisle, a spokeswoman for the RCMP, confirmed to CBC News on Wednesday that the police force is aware of media reports about the apparently Canadian voice, "and are following up."

On Monday, CBC News asked three linguistics specialists to analyze the recording, and all said the voice has some distinctly Canadian speech patterns.

Security experts and the linguists say the voice on the audio recording has telltale inflections and characteristics of Canadian English.

"The fellow on it sounded to me like he was … Canadian, and probably specifically from Ontario," Erik Thomas, a linguistics professor at the University of North Carolina, told CBC News.

Thomas, a specialist in dialect variations, has analyzed the ISIS recording and says he is 80 per cent sure the speaker is Canadian.

"There's a number of things that point toward Canada. His 'o' sounded more like 'oww,' which is typical of Canada," said Thomas. And also the word 'out'... he said like a Canadian, not 'owt.'"

Thomas said the speaker also had a feature known as Canadian raising in the way he pronounced words such as "vice." ....
 
Bird_Gunner45 said:
Really, your defence is to just say a lot of Canadians don't work so they're opinions don't matter?

Yup. Everyone is a racist xenophobe but it's perfectly fine to discriminate against people according to their economic status or level of education.
 
cupper said:
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Is it any wonder why people are cynical about the people they elect to office when they spend all of their time pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Pandering to the lowest common denominator?  Or representing the wishes of the majority - seeing as how it is a democracy and all.

I believe that cynicism is bred when people ask for advice (from their electors) and then do as they choose regardless of the advice.
 
Pardon me, but isn't the feeling of "being above someone" synonymous with being part of the majority and having some form of power? We all know that racists don't like people of other colours, and think in their warped minds that they are superior somehow because they are White....always found this laughable really considering every race has illiterates, scammers, thieves, despicable, unhygienic, etc types

George Wallace said:
Well.  For one, they don't want to have security checks done on them.  Is it arrogance?  Is it something they want to hide?  Whatever, it is, they somehow feel they are above us, and we should welcome their likes with open arms; ......and we are "RACISTS" if we don't.    ::)
 
opcougar said:
Pardon me, but isn't the feeling of "being above someone" synonymous with being part of the majority and having some form of power? We all know that racists don't like people of other colours, and think in their warped minds that they are superior somehow because they are White....always found this laughable really considering every race has illiterates, scammers, thieves, despicable, unhygienic, etc types

Your own racist sentiments don't belong here. You need a time out to reflect on your passive\ aggressive notions of what racist and xenophobic mean on these fora.

---Staff---
 
Blackadder1916 said:
What do people have against "Xenos"?  (see the nametag)

I have NO idea!  He looks like a nice fellow  ;D.  What a bunch of racists!!    :eek:rly:
 
A good heads up for democracies....

Congress Needs to Debate the War on ISIS

The U.S. has been escalating the fight in the Middle East without congressional approval, but the Korean War shows why that’s a dangerous way to proceed.

In the late summer of 1950, the United States made a momentous choice—one that, in the end, may have transformed a prospective military and diplomatic triumph into disaster.

The choice was made during what is now often called “the forgotten war”—the three-year conflict in Korea at the outset of the Cold War. But the fall of 1950 has an urgent lesson to teach the U.S. today, as it faces a mounting crisis over the threat of the Islamic State in the Middle East and now in Europe. Choices the U.S. makes, or don’t make, now can have profound effects later.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/isis-aumf-kore/416556/
 
Riiiiiiiiiight -- France let this happen so NATO'll have an excuse to barge into Syria ....
.... Paris views the events of last Friday as justification sufficient to proceed militarily in Syria. A large part of the French citizenry, as well as most of the western countries too, would be in accord with that. This is a justification, a wrong one of course, but nonetheless “acceptable” to many, which NATO didn't have until now. The tide seems to have swung more towards pro-war, respectively pro-war involvement.

Once again, nobody seems to want to recognize the relationships which are so obvious. It appears that Syria, which has the help of Russia, is about to dramatically weaken IS, if not beat them back. NATO members were missing the reason to become active in Syria themselves and thus clip Russia's ever increasing weight to an acceptable “size”. In the eyes of NATO and western governments, the attacks seem to have provided this reason. NATO virtually received the excuse to attack Syria. Something that the toxic gas attacks did not achieve is that they were carried out by one’s own side, then they were blamed on Assad by the West.

With the direct intervention by France and the U.S. (to be followed shortly by other countries, like Britain or Belgium), as much as it pains me to write this, the Third World War has started ....
:Tin-Foil-Hat:
 
Here's a classy move from Turkey.  Booing a moment of silence for the Paris attack victims during a soccer game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9bMYcmUFg
 
Re: the above post: 'splain to me why Turkey is still in NATO? After the last couple of years of frankly being a hindrance rather than a help in dealing with ISIS (porous border, anti-Kurd activities, perhaps facilitating sale of black-market ISIS oil), their increasingly less and less secular government, and now this, public celebration, essentially, of the Paris attacks, they just don't seem like folks we oughta be friends with.  They certainly don't seem to share the rest of NATO's worldview.

Kinda like how I don't think we should sell LAVs to a horrible human rights violator like Saudi Arabia, or call Pakistan our friend while they support the Taliban. I do, to a certain extent, understand the political motives that make these things so, but sheesh, the world's a complicated place. So much simpler when your friends are your friends, and your enemies are your enemies.
 
A prediction. Given the growing size and strength of the nativist movement in Europe, something like this could spell the end of the EU and the start of a horrifying "Reconquista" in Europe as nationalists unite to drive out first the migrants and then anyone else who isn't "from there". Since Europeans are already busy burning down refugee centres it isn't too difficult to see them taking up arms when they see the situation becomes even more dire. (Note, while the scenario seems sound, reading the rest of the post is going to be rather head spinning :

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/bracken-tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/

The hard core of the battle-hardened jihadists now fanning out across Europe understands the tried-and-true process of igniting a civil war through terror. They will calculate that the European military and police cannot and will not sustain the battle against an unceasing campaign of terrorism. Brussels cannot remain on virtual lockdown forever without its economy being wrecked. What will happen when a Paris-type attack, or worse, is a daily event in a dozen European cities?

As I mentioned above, just the other day in northern Italy eight hundred combat-style pistol-grip shotguns were discovered in a truck on their way from Turkey to Belgium. Do the math. The Paris attacks were carried out by approximately eight jihadists armed with Kalashnikovs, shotguns and TATP suicide vests (which can be manufactured anywhere there is a kitchen). Now imagine a “Super Tet Offensive,” with every type of target on the hit list from airports to zoological parks, each being assaulted by an eight-man squad of such killers. Some attacks smaller, some larger, from pairs to platoons in strength.

Today, perhaps only a few short months prior to Tet 2016, there is no Islamic high command located in Europe or elsewhere in charge of planning specific terror operations. There is no OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, the supreme command of the German Nazi armed forces) planning an Islamic Operation Barbarossa. Hence, there is no command and control structure for Western intelligence to penetrate and disrupt.

Instead of a central brain directing many hands, think of a vast swarm of stinging jellyfish, all moving in loose formation, with the same generalized attack plan in their collective hive-mind. At the end of 2015, individual muhajirs may have only a basic awareness that they are heading to Europe to conduct a great jihad. As D-Day draws nearer, coded messages will proliferate with cryptic references to portentous events from Islamic history. “Get ready, and prepare to conduct major operations” will be the thrust of the online chatter and encrypted wireless messages. In each European city, targets will be individually scouted by local mujahirs in anticipation of a general outbreak of jihad terror attacks.

How many mosques have already received a truckload of shotguns or Kalashnikovs? Run the numbers again: eight jihadists per terror attack, eight hundred weapons per truck, 80,000 Viet Cong fighters in the original Tet Offensive, and an estimated 800,000 muhajirs flooding into Europe. Using radical mosques as clandestine armories is S.O.P in the Middle East, so why would the jihadists not use the same tactics in safe and docile Europe? Out of a sense of fairness and respect for European laws? Please. In the words of Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” And bear in mind that anyplace an AK-47 can be smuggled, so too can a few kilos of Semtex.

Imagine a dozen or even a score of Beslan-type school sieges, all happening at the same time, across that number of European cities. Initially, the first string of major surprise attacks will be coordinated by the most well-organized terror networks using currently unbreakable wireless encryption. Many of the attacks will involve numerous captured hostages, often children, with impossible demands being made to guarantee their safety. Or no demands will be made; just rape and slaughter will ensue, as in the Russian Beslan example. This outbreak of major attacks will be the signal for the general jihad offensive to begin.

The Beslan Massacre happened in 2004 at the hands of yet another killer gang of aggrieved Islamists. Two squads of Chechen Muslim terrorists arrived on the first day of school in a Russian town, using false police vans as camouflage. They took a thousand young hostages and held them for three days. The Muslim terrorists murdered over four hundred innocents, often after rape and torture. Now, imagine twenty ongoing European Beslans, with simultaneous infrastructure and “soft-target” (people) attacks happening everywhere in between.

What Hitler’s Nazis accomplished with Stukas and Tigers and motorized divisions, the Islamonazis will attempt to accomplish by a massive “Tet Offensive on steroids,” overwhelming and stunning the European meta-system into immediate paralysis and first psychological, then material defeat. At least, that is the outcome that the Islamonozis will be striving to achieve. The 1968 Tet infiltration and mass-attack strategy didn’t succeed in Vietnam, and maybe it won’t work in Europe, either. It’s more likely that the hoped-for general uprising by all European Muslims against the kafirs will not be triggered, and it may simply stall and sputter out.

In strategic terms, if nothing else, the 2016 jihad offensive and subsequent civil war in Europe will open up a second major front in the war against the Islamic State, causing NATO and the West to turn their attention inward toward their own survival, and thereby take pressure off the other theaters of war in Iraq and Syria.

And for the Europeans to win the coming civil war, they will have to be at least half as brutally ugly as their Muslim invaders, and that means pretty damn brutally ugly. But while the jihadists will be operating at maximum brutality from day one, the placid and polite European authorities will be starting from far behind in that department. For example: a standard jihadist tactic is to flee from a terror attack straight back into the embrace of their co-religionists in the Sharia-zone ghettos, and hide behind their women and children. Then what will the authorities do? Go in and try to arrest them? (Just joking.) Wait for their next excursion with more terror bombs? Or gut the entire suspected block with shell fire? This is what I mean by damn ugly. The French reaction to the Paris attacks gives a hint of how this phase will run.

Best case scenario, and I don’t see this as likely: the 2016 Islamic Tet attackers will be wiped out the way the Viet Cong were in 1968. But if there are enough simultaneous attacks, in total numbers involving anywhere near the 80,000 or so fighters of the Vietnamese Tet, I can’t see how the present European forces can defeat the jihadists in less than a month, if at all. By very simple math, that number of jihadists means ten thousand Paris-level attacks. Think about that. Ten thousand Paris level attacks! All taking place in the same month, the same week, even on the same day, right across Europe. The politically-correct and overly polite European policemen (and even their militaries, at first) won’t be up to mounting successful counterattacks and rescue operations against a score of Beslans happening in schools, hospitals and concert halls. Not while at the same time, airports, train stations, power plants and other targets are being hit by Paris-sized terror squads right across Europe.
 
Isil doesn't even have 80 000 men at arms in Iraq and Syria.

Not to mention most of these attacks are committed by home grown terrorists. ..
 
BurnDoctor said:
Re: the above post: 'splain to me why Turkey is still in NATO? After the last couple of years of frankly being a hindrance rather than a help in dealing with ISIS (porous border, anti-Kurd activities, perhaps facilitating sale of black-market ISIS oil), their increasingly less and less secular government, and now this, public celebration, essentially, of the Paris attacks, they just don't seem like folks we oughta be friends with.  They certainly don't seem to share the rest of NATO's worldview.

Kinda like how I don't think we should sell LAVs to a horrible human rights violator like Saudi Arabia, or call Pakistan our friend while they support the Taliban. I do, to a certain extent, understand the political motives that make these things so, but sheesh, the world's a complicated place. So much simpler when your friends are your friends, and your enemies are your enemies.


"Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”


Lord Palmerston

 
Thucydides said:
....reading the rest of the post is going to be rather head spinning...
  ::)  Yet you chose to post it, which sadly (given your track-record of well-argued posts [regardless of my agreement] ), really detracts on the credibility scale. Sorry.
 
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