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Our North - SSE Policy Update Megathread

Finally saying what we all know

It’s a badly written and articulated article though.
The CSC costs also include the costs of rebuilding the Canadian Shipbuilding industry, as the UK hadn’t let that happen, so it’s not apples and oranges.

The F-35 costs include a lot of infrastructure that hadn’t originally been included for the 66 planes - so again not apples to apples, but I will agree the delays did not help the costing.

No arguments on the trucks etc.
 
It’s a badly written and articulated article though.
The CSC costs also include the costs of rebuilding the Canadian Shipbuilding industry, as the UK hadn’t let that happen, so it’s not apples and oranges.

The F-35 costs include a lot of infrastructure that hadn’t originally been included for the 66 planes - so again not apples to apples, but I will agree the delays did not help the costing.

No arguments on the trucks etc.
It would soften the blown with more complex procurements having delays or cost overruns, if we didn't fuck up the simplest of procurements regularly and often.

Trucks, sleeping bags, uniforms, boots, fighting order, helmets, etc. are all items Canada produces in large quantities for other nations, with no catastrophic failure or compromise. It should be as simple as walking into Revision or whomever and saying "this, but in CADPAT(MT)."
 
The one that always got me was uniforms. If a military cannot provide uniforms to all, in full scale, on the first day they step into the job at training facilities, it has failed to show it is serious about defending the country as far as I am concerned.

We should have uniforms coming out of the wazoo (as the expression goes). Enough for twice the number of authorized strength, just in case rapid expansion is required.

We should be able to take anyone walking off the bus at training facilities and, regardless of command (RCN, CA, RCAF), issue them immediately with three sets of CADPAT, a CADPAT raincoat, a CADPAT winter jacket, a beret as appropriate and two sets of their element Service Dress. With completion of full issue, to scale, of Service Dress and extra combat uniforms, as applicable to the member's element and trade, issued upon completion of basic training. There should only be an insignificant number of special cases.

For me, not being able to do that is an indication of incompetent procurement or operation of the supply system.

P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger. ;)
 
The one that always got me was uniforms. If a military cannot provide uniforms to all, in full scale, on the first day they step into the job at training facilities, it has failed to show it is serious about defending the country as far as I am concerned.

We should have uniforms coming out of the wazoo (as the expression goes). Enough for twice the number of authorized strength, just in case rapid expansion is required.

We should be able to take anyone walking off the bus at training facilities and, regardless of command (RCN, CA, RCAF), issue them immediately with three sets of CADPAT, a CADPAT raincoat, a CADPAT winter jacket, a beret as appropriate and two sets of their element Service Dress. With completion of full issue, to scale, of Service Dress and extra combat uniforms, as applicable to the member's element and trade, issued upon completion of basic training. There should only be an insignificant number of special cases.

For me, not being able to do that is an indication of incompetent procurement or operation of the supply system.

P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger. ;)

I like how the Yanks do it. Everyone gets an initial issue, after it's on your dime.

It's actually both, it's poor contacting at the LCMM level and poor SC management, again at the LCMM level.
 
P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger. ;)
Like most but can't really agree that everyone should have cadpat for those occasions that call for it. Over 10 years of storing army kit I don't use as the only occasions it is needed for is if I serve at an army unit and go on a field ex that actually has me in the field. Last ex I went on about 7 or 8 years ago I was in quarters so didn't actually need the purple cadpat (yep, I have those). My NECU and NCDs have served perfectly for everything else. A large number of navy will have no need for it so it is a waste of time and kit to issue it to them. Issue on as needed basis is fine.
 
Like most but can't really agree that everyone should have cadpat for those occasions that call for it. Over 10 years of storing army kit I don't use as the only occasions it is needed for is if I serve at an army unit and go on a field ex that actually has me in the field. Last ex I went on about 7 or 8 years ago I was in quarters so didn't actually need the purple cadpat (yep, I have those). My NECU and NCDs have served perfectly for everything else. A large number of navy will have no need for it so it is a waste of time and kit to issue it to them. Issue on as needed basis is fine.

Isn't that what the slop chest is for?
 
Canadian troops billeted with American troops in Canada's high arctic.

Resolute (75 N)?
Pituffik-Thule is at 77 N
Alert is at (82 N)

Iqaluit is at 64N
Yellowknife (62N)
Fairbanks-Greely (64N)

Churchill (59N) doesn't really qualify as Arctic
The Arctic Circle is at 66N.


Meanwhile Leslie and Hillier agree with Danielle Smith on the value of a soldier (Wynnyck) on the border.


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National Defence.
 
Canadian troops billeted with American troops in Canada's high arctic.

Resolute (75 N)?
Pituffik-Thule is at 77 N
Alert is at (82 N)

Iqaluit is at 64N
Yellowknife (62N)
Fairbanks-Greely (64N)

Churchill (59N) doesn't really qualify as Arctic
The Arctic Circle is at 66N.


Meanwhile Leslie and Hillier agree with Danielle Smith on the value of a soldier (Wynnyck) on the border.


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National Defence.
Question, if the US 'gets' Greenland or a concession to have another base or 3 located there. Is there still a need for NORAD?
 
Canadian troops billeted with American troops in Canada . . .

Other that the semantic expectation that it should read "American troops billeted with Canadians in Canada"*, the last time (past four times) that the USA had "permanent" non-wartime bases in Canada they came to the conclusion that they were expensive and unnecessary since the military functions that they supported could be accomplished from assets based in USA territory.



* billeting is temporarily housing/quartering troops; Canadians assigned to a Canadian base in Canada would be "permanent"; Americans would be the lodgers.
 
Other that the semantic expectation that it should read "American troops billeted with Canadians in Canada"*, the last time (past four times) that the USA had "permanent" non-wartime bases in Canada they came to the conclusion that they were expensive and unnecessary since the military functions that they supported could be accomplished from assets based in USA territory.



* billeting is temporarily housing/quartering troops; Canadians assigned to a Canadian base in Canada would be "permanent"; Americans would be the lodgers.

How many of those bases were built where none existed previously?

How many of them became permanent features on the Canadian landscape?
 
are you counting the ones built in Newfoundland while it was British?

Four of the American bases built in Newfoundland and Labrador were either maintained or reactivated following WW2 and continued after confederation with Canada. On varying schedules they were closed (or transferred to the Canadian Forces) in the 1950s, 60s, 70s or 1990s. Two of the locations (CFB Goose Bay - formerly Goose AFB and CFS St John's - formerly Fort Pepperell/Pepperell AFB) still have a military function/presence including temporary American military support.
 
Other American traces.

Alert, Eureka, Resolute, Mould Bay, Isachsen, (Joint Arctic Weather Stations 1946-1950)
Iqaluit (Frobisher), Kuujuaq (Chimo), 1942

CANOL Norman Wells Project (1942)
Alaska Highway (1942)
Prince Rupert (1942) - Rupert existed prior to 1942 but the Americans connected it to Terrace and then the Alaska Highway.

NORAD
Pinetree Line
DEW Line
BMEWS Line
North Warning System

And all the airfields on Greenland, including Thule (Pituffik) (1943)

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If it wasn't for the USAF and the HBC there would be no development north of Yonge Street.

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Sorry, I short changed Bell, Alcoa and Standard Oil.

PPS - Might also want to reference the cultural importance of Andrew Carnegie and his Carnegie Libraries.
 
Four of the American bases built in Newfoundland and Labrador were either maintained or reactivated following WW2 and continued after confederation with Canada. On varying schedules they were closed (or transferred to the Canadian Forces) in the 1950s, 60s, 70s or 1990s. Two of the locations (CFB Goose Bay - formerly Goose AFB and CFS St John's - formerly Fort Pepperell/Pepperell AFB) still have a military function/presence including temporary American military support.
I remember trying to check in to the Delta in DT St Johns and being surrounded by about twenty Americans in a collection of USAF, USN and Marine uniforms. One of the staff saw my astonished look and as Newfs are wont to do started a conversation and said that the Delta hosted American crews 285 Nights per year. Its probably George Street and not the lack of fuel that makes them stop in St Johns'
 
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