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Our North - SSE Policy Update Megathread

No, but changing its status from Agricultural to something else requires the applicable council to do so.
It requires approval from the Agricultural Land Commission. A person wanting to do such a thing must source an alternate similar sized piece of land, convert it to agricultural use to the extent it fully replaces the original land. So buying 5000 hectares up in the isolated mountains with no growing range and no grazing won’t cut it.
 
why can't you keep farming it? I can't imagine a radar set-up that requires 4000 acres; maybe a dozen and that is generous. Isn't what they need is to sterilize it for development i.e. not agriculture but estate homes, cottages etc.
And they could work the land at night without lighting because everything will have that healthy glow.

No, but changing its status from Agricultural to something else requires the applicable council to do so.
The provincial government can do that with the stroke of a pen, with or without the municipality's consent. I imagine the federal government has at least similar authority.
 
That is the way it is in BC….
And it’s a pain in the ass for the landowner to sell, especially if it’s land that should never have been in the ALR to begin with. There’s land in the reserve that can only grow rocks unless you spend a fortune trying to get water to it, never mind getting the permits to do so legally.
 
And it’s a pain in the ass for the landowner to sell, especially if it’s land that should never have been in the ALR to begin with. There’s land in the reserve that can only grow rocks unless you spend a fortune trying to get water to it, never mind getting the permits to do so legally.
Hmm. I think I know this land that you speak of, lol.
 
Falconbridge could likely be reacquired and set up to feed 22 Wing (if that even exists anymore).
I'm not a rocket surgeon, but I suspect if the station could have been put further north than it already is for technical reasons, they would have been more than happy to put it in the 705 area code at/near that part of the world near Sudbury instead of near an agricultural, more-densely-populated part of the province. Also, my non-tech understanding is that the Kawartha Lakes facility is being built in some kind of positional proximity to the Clearview facility, so it may not be as simple as moving just one facility. Happy to be straightened out by folks who know about this OTH stuff than I do, though.
That way no useful land is taken up by an expensive military gadget.
One man's "expensive military gadget" is another's "need this shit to detect other shit coming over the Arctic - in part to help protect Canada, and in part to keep the U.S. happy" 🤷‍♂️

Here's a bit of MSM coverage from the public meetings on the project from earlier in September ....
There's real hoops to have to go through, for sure - after all, a lot of critics of the government say Ottawa may need to make tough choices to help defend Canada better than it has - but NIMBY's also gonna NIMBY, no matter the project, no matter where ....
 
And they could work the land at night without lighting because everything will have that healthy glow.


The provincial government can do that with the stroke of a pen, with or without the municipality's consent. I imagine the federal government has at least similar authority.
it is just a receiver site. Keep the grass cut around the antennas and don't allow any lumpy things to block the line of sight.
 
I'm not a rocket surgeon, but I suspect if the station could have been put further north than it already is for technical reasons, they would have been more than happy to put it in the 705 area code at/near that part of the world near Sudbury instead of near an agricultural, more-densely-populated part of the province. Also, my non-tech understanding is that the Kawartha Lakes facility is being built in some kind of positional proximity to the Clearview facility, so it may not be as simple as moving just one facility. Happy to be straightened out by folks who know about this OTH stuff than I do, though.

One man's "expensive military gadget" is another's "need this shit to detect other shit coming over the Arctic - in part to help protect Canada, and in part to keep the U.S. happy" 🤷‍♂️

Here's a bit of MSM coverage from the public meetings on the project from earlier in September ....
There's real hoops to have to go through, for sure - after all, a lot of critics of the government say Ottawa may need to make tough choices to help defend Canada better than it has - but NIMBY's also gonna NIMBY, no matter the project, no matter where ....
By the read of some of the Kawartha comments, it might have been helpful to have an aluminum foil dispenser at the open house. A mix of anti-everythings (probably typed on a phone requiring a cel-tower) and NIMBYs who are ok if it is somebody else's backyard.
 
It requires approval from the Agricultural Land Commission. A person wanting to do such a thing must source an alternate similar sized piece of land, convert it to agricultural use to the extent it fully replaces the original land. So buying 5000 hectares up in the isolated mountains with no growing range and no grazing won’t cut it.

I am not a fan of the Dave Barrett NDP government, but this was one of their (very few) good ideas IMHO....

Agricultural Land Reserve​



Motivation for establishment​

Before 1973, an estimated 4000 to 6000 hectares of prime agricultural land was lost each year to urbanization in British Columbia. Recognition that the province had limited arable farmland, and a concern for food security, led the provincial government to introduce the Land Commission Act on 18 April 1973 which created the Agricultural Land Commission (ALC) and established the Agricultural Land Reserve (ALR).

 
By the read of some of the Kawartha comments, it might have been helpful to have an aluminum foil dispenser at the open house. A mix of anti-everythings (probably typed on a phone requiring a cel-tower) and NIMBYs who are ok if it is somebody else's backyard.
For me it’s not aluminum foil stuff. I’d like to see that thing plunked right in the middle of a densely populated Liberal Postal code. The same with every other gadget from Wind tower turbines to solar farms. Relocate those fine people to edge of the great lithium and gallium mines.
Always their bright ideas, always everyone else’s consequences.
 
For me it’s not aluminum foil stuff. I’d like to see that thing plunked right in the middle of a densely populated Liberal Postal code. The same with every other gadget from Wind tower turbines to solar farms. Relocate those fine people to edge of the great lithium and gallium mines.
Always their bright ideas, always everyone else’s consequences.
Good, they should be where people can see them. They need to know how the sausage is made. Also it makes posting people to the locations to maintain and protect the equipment easier, and shows the Canadian public what the CAF does. Living and working the communities. Enough with the bases in the middle of nowhere.

As far as good farmland, well perhaps you want to speak to Dougie Ford and his new highway instead, this site is a rounding error on farmland. I would be surprised if that was actually "good farmland". Its not Niagara or the Holland Marsh. It's fine farmland for specific crops (probably dairy or corn).
 
Good, they should be where people can see them. They need to know how the sausage is made. Also it makes posting people to the locations to maintain and protect the equipment easier, and shows the Canadian public what the CAF does. Living and working the communities. Enough with the bases in the middle of nowhere.

As far as good farmland, well perhaps you want to speak to Dougie Ford and his new highway instead, this site is a rounding error on farmland. Also I would be surprised if that was actually "good farmland". Its not Niagara or the Holland Marsh. It's fine farmland for specific crops (probably dairy or corn).

Also the MP for Clearview is Terry Dowdell (IIRC) and he is very much a Conservative.
One article gives context in terms of "number of bottles of whiskey from the corn that could be grown".
 
For me it’s not aluminum foil stuff. I’d like to see that thing plunked right in the middle of a densely populated Liberal Postal code. The same with every other gadget from Wind tower turbines to solar farms. Relocate those fine people to edge of the great lithium and gallium mines.
Always their bright ideas, always everyone else’s consequences.
I want to believe there is a good reason why the Clearview site was considered over some no-longer-used ground on Base Borden a few kliks south, rather than buying land on the market. Someone earlier mentioned UXO from previous Base uses, which would make sense.

Didn't they work tooth and nail to expropriate a farm near Trenton, then decide not to use it?
 
Good, they should be where people can see them. They need to know how the sausage is made. Also it makes posting people to the locations to maintain and protect the equipment easier, and shows the Canadian public what the CAF does. Living and working the communities. Enough with the bases in the middle of nowhere.

As far as good farmland, well perhaps you want to speak to Dougie Ford and his new highway instead, this site is a rounding error on farmland. I would be surprised if that was actually "good farmland". Its not Niagara or the Holland Marsh. It's fine farmland for specific crops (probably dairy or corn).
Well, you made me go to the County soil map. It seems half of the plot is decent sandy loam but the part up against the Minising Swamp is good soil but poorly drained. Recalling my time working summers on a family farm just west of there, it is generally good soil. The Alliston area used to be noted for tobacco but now is heavy into potatoes (original home of Miss Vicky's) because they favour a lighter soil.

One article gives context in terms of "number of bottles of whiskey from the corn that could be grown".
According to my dad, before they drained the Holland Marsh for agriculture, it was mostly stills and bootleggers.
 
Well, you made me go to the County soil map. It seems half of the plot is decent sandy loam but the part up against the Minising Swamp is good soil but poorly drained. Recalling my time working summers on a family farm just west of there, it is generally good soil. The Alliston area used to be noted for tobacco but now is heavy into potatoes (original home of Miss Vicky's) because they favour a lighter soil.


According to my dad, before they drained the Holland Marsh for agriculture, it was mostly stills and bootleggers.
I think this is an Army.ca first. Sidetrack into soil types and crops. At least its not PRes Reorg, and is something fresh.
 
By the read of some of the Kawartha comments, it might have been helpful to have an aluminum foil dispenser at the open house. A mix of anti-everythings (probably typed on a phone requiring a cel-tower) and NIMBYs who are ok if it is somebody else's backyard.
Maybe some of those hesitant about science and distrusting about government since the COVID days may still be hesitant about this science still distrusting - same weapon system, different target? 🤷‍♂️
 
Maybe some of those hesitant about science and distrusting about government since the COVID days may still be hesitant about this science still distrusting - same weapon system, different target? 🤷‍♂️
Nah this is just windmill, high voltage power lines pseudoscience all over again. That was going on long before this situation.
 
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