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Seems the radicalized recruits keep coming:
Associated Pres via Yahoo News
Plus, a cyber attack by ISIS:
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Associated Pres via Yahoo News
Plus, a cyber attack by ISIS:
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I don't like where this is going. Let's see if the neighboring countries step up their efforts.
And where is the 'anonymous' group? Didn't they declare 'war' on the caliphate after the killings in France? I would have expected something by now.
And where is the 'anonymous' group? Didn't they declare 'war' on the caliphate after the killings in France? I would have expected something by now.
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Excellent, if they want to use up the western POS in banzai charges or other fatal excursions all the better. They won't be a worry for the rest of us with coming home to carry on their crap here.
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Loachman said:
Now if we could get the MSM to realize and report it as such. I think we do ourselves a disservice and add to the fear by calling these murders any thing but murder. ISIS(IL) count on the revulsion of the phrases horrific, barbaric, etc. Not to downplay the extent these animals will lower themselves to, but we have to stop helping them with their propaganda.
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Jed said:
Because, it involves Islam. They're shyte scared of being accused of not being PC to the max when it comes to radical Islam. Everyone else is fair game, but those jokers have far too many running scared. Today's boogeymen.
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jollyjacktar said:
Being PC is biting us in the a$$. If we can't identify them as "Islamic Terrorists" without being attacked by our OWN side (media and fuzzy headed people who think hot chocolate and hugs solve every problem) we are fighting with one hand tied behind our collective backs.
In my opinion, fighting the islamic terrorists shiuld not be done only by force. The best way is to track the people who fund them, and the people who recruit them, and the people who promote wahhabism(wahhabism is radical islam that got created in he 19th century in saudi arabia, with the alliance of the saudi family and muhammad ibn wahhab). This form of islam rejects anything that is against it, beginning with muslims themselves. So once saudi arabia and qatar stop promoting wahhabism and funding those groups, they will dissapear automatically within a few months. How is isis surviving in syria and irak? Who gives them ammunitions? Who gives them sophisticated anti-tank weapons? These are the main questions that have to be answered. Why is Turkey still recieving them from all over the world and dispatching them in syria and irak? Turkey have no control over its borders?
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We have to fight them ideologically as well. Thus far they are winning the battles because we are too afraid to "offend" anyone.
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Hamish Seggie said:
I'm guilty of this tbh. Not so much trying to be PC but rather defining it as something more or maybe less than what might be the obvious label.
This article actually defines it quite well and defines exactly what it is and the mistakes we are making in the west. Something that has made me look at this in a different light and agree that we are in fact dealing with Islamic Terrorists.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
It is long but very much worth the read.
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Here's where the problem is. (by the way, his nibs was in California for a three day golf/fund raising weekend). This post is a continuation of http://army.ca/forums/threads/117789.0.html
White House:Taliban not a terrorist group. It’s an Armed Insurgency’.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/15/statement-press-secretary-murder-egyptian-citizens
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
February 15, 2015
Statement by the Press Secretary on the Murder of Egyptian Citizens
Citizens, no mention the reason they where beheaded was that they where Christians. And who did it: radical Islamic Terrorists. No, the WH won't say that. They are ISIL-affiliated terrorists.
The video is “Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for,” one of the militants said in the video, as he stood with a knife in his hand. The video was titled “A Message Signed With Blood to the Nation of the Cross.”
It's obvious even to the Pope that these men where killed because they where Christians. Obvious to everyone but the Obama Administration.
White House:Taliban not a terrorist group. It’s an Armed Insurgency’.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/15/statement-press-secretary-murder-egyptian-citizens
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
February 15, 2015
Statement by the Press Secretary on the Murder of Egyptian Citizens
Citizens, no mention the reason they where beheaded was that they where Christians. And who did it: radical Islamic Terrorists. No, the WH won't say that. They are ISIL-affiliated terrorists.
The video is “Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for,” one of the militants said in the video, as he stood with a knife in his hand. The video was titled “A Message Signed With Blood to the Nation of the Cross.”
It's obvious even to the Pope that these men where killed because they where Christians. Obvious to everyone but the Obama Administration.
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Stacked said:
Things are being done, but those 'things' might not be on as big of a scale or as timely as 'we' would like to see.
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/17/isis-reportedly-burns-alive-45-people-in-western-iraqi-town/
ISIS reportedly burns alive 45 people in western Iraqi town
Published February 17, 2015 - FoxNews.com
Islamic State militants have burned alive 45 people in the western Iraqi town of al-Baghdadi, its local police chief told the BBC Tuesday.
ISIS reportedly burns alive 45 people in western Iraqi town
Published February 17, 2015 - FoxNews.com
Islamic State militants have burned alive 45 people in the western Iraqi town of al-Baghdadi, its local police chief told the BBC Tuesday.
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In this case, the enemy of our enemy is not our friend. Hezbollah is just a Shia/Shiite terrorist group that happens to oppose ISIS.
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Kurds don't want foreign volunteers but Ottawa man says training force unaffected
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/19/387519422/obama-calls-the-idea-that-the-west-is-at-war-with-islam-an-ugly-lie
NPR - 19 Feb 15 - Bill Chappell
Obama Calls Idea That The West Is At War With Islam 'An Ugly Lie'
"The notion that the West is at war with Islam is an ugly lie and all of us — regardless of our faith — have a responsibility to reject it," President Obama said Thursday, at a summit on defusing violent extremism.
The statement echoes the president's remarks from Wednesday, when Obama said it's crucial to change the narrative about the intersection of religion, particularly Islam, and modern society. He called it "a generational challenge," as Eyder reported for the Two-Way.
Instead of focusing on Islam, the president and others have said at the summit, the U.S. and other countries should be trying to snip away at terrorism's ideological, economic and political roots.
Obama spoke on the issue today for more than 20 minutes, urging countries not to help lend legitimacy to extremist groups such as ISIS. Here are some highlights:
"Nations need to break the cycles of conflict — especially sectarian conflict — that are magnets for violent extremism."
"We have to confront the warped ideologies espoused by terrorists like al-Qaida and ISIL, especially their attempts to use Islam to justify their violence."
"When people, especially young people, feel entirely trapped in impoverished communities — where there is no order and no path for advancement, where there are no educational opportunities, where there are no ways to support families and no escape from injustice and the humiliations of corruption — that feeds instability and disorder, and makes those communities ripe for extremist recruitment."
"We must acknowledge that groups like al-Qaida and ISIL are deliberately targeting their propaganda to Muslim communities, particularly Muslim youth. Muslim communities, including scholars and clerics, therefore have a responsibility to push back — not just on twisted interpretations of Islam, but also on the lie that we are somehow engaged in a clash of civilizations, that America and the West are somehow at war with Islam, or seek to suppress Muslims, or that we are the cause of every ill in the Middle East."
Even before the U.S.-hosted Summit on Countering Violent Extremism began in Washington this week, the White House has been criticized for its position against using terms that directly link Islam or Muslims to terrorism.
Last month, Politico's Rich Lowry complained of "a haze of euphemism and cowardice" in a January article about the White House's stance, written following the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris.
That prompted The New York Times' Thomas Friedman to write, "I am all for restraint on the issue, and would never hold every Muslim accountable for the acts of a few. But it is not good for us or the Muslim world to pretend that this spreading jihadist violence isn't coming out of their faith community."
Yesterday, the Times explored the administration's stance:
"Obama aides say there is a strategic logic to his vocabulary: Labeling noxious beliefs and mass murder as 'Islamic' would play right into the hands of terrorists who claim that the United States is at war with Islam itself. The last thing the president should do, they say, is imply that the United States lumps the world's 1.5 billion Muslims with vicious terrorist groups."
Today, Obama said, "When people spew hatred towards others because of their faith or because they are immigrants, it feeds into terrorist narratives. If entire communities feel they can never become a full part of the society in which they reside, it feeds a cycle of fear and resentment — and a sense of injustice upon which extremists prey."
NPR - 19 Feb 15 - Bill Chappell
Obama Calls Idea That The West Is At War With Islam 'An Ugly Lie'
"The notion that the West is at war with Islam is an ugly lie and all of us — regardless of our faith — have a responsibility to reject it," President Obama said Thursday, at a summit on defusing violent extremism.
The statement echoes the president's remarks from Wednesday, when Obama said it's crucial to change the narrative about the intersection of religion, particularly Islam, and modern society. He called it "a generational challenge," as Eyder reported for the Two-Way.
Instead of focusing on Islam, the president and others have said at the summit, the U.S. and other countries should be trying to snip away at terrorism's ideological, economic and political roots.
Obama spoke on the issue today for more than 20 minutes, urging countries not to help lend legitimacy to extremist groups such as ISIS. Here are some highlights:
"Nations need to break the cycles of conflict — especially sectarian conflict — that are magnets for violent extremism."
"We have to confront the warped ideologies espoused by terrorists like al-Qaida and ISIL, especially their attempts to use Islam to justify their violence."
"When people, especially young people, feel entirely trapped in impoverished communities — where there is no order and no path for advancement, where there are no educational opportunities, where there are no ways to support families and no escape from injustice and the humiliations of corruption — that feeds instability and disorder, and makes those communities ripe for extremist recruitment."
"We must acknowledge that groups like al-Qaida and ISIL are deliberately targeting their propaganda to Muslim communities, particularly Muslim youth. Muslim communities, including scholars and clerics, therefore have a responsibility to push back — not just on twisted interpretations of Islam, but also on the lie that we are somehow engaged in a clash of civilizations, that America and the West are somehow at war with Islam, or seek to suppress Muslims, or that we are the cause of every ill in the Middle East."
Even before the U.S.-hosted Summit on Countering Violent Extremism began in Washington this week, the White House has been criticized for its position against using terms that directly link Islam or Muslims to terrorism.
Last month, Politico's Rich Lowry complained of "a haze of euphemism and cowardice" in a January article about the White House's stance, written following the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris.
That prompted The New York Times' Thomas Friedman to write, "I am all for restraint on the issue, and would never hold every Muslim accountable for the acts of a few. But it is not good for us or the Muslim world to pretend that this spreading jihadist violence isn't coming out of their faith community."
Yesterday, the Times explored the administration's stance:
"Obama aides say there is a strategic logic to his vocabulary: Labeling noxious beliefs and mass murder as 'Islamic' would play right into the hands of terrorists who claim that the United States is at war with Islam itself. The last thing the president should do, they say, is imply that the United States lumps the world's 1.5 billion Muslims with vicious terrorist groups."
Today, Obama said, "When people spew hatred towards others because of their faith or because they are immigrants, it feeds into terrorist narratives. If entire communities feel they can never become a full part of the society in which they reside, it feeds a cycle of fear and resentment — and a sense of injustice upon which extremists prey."
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