Past CIC Sea Cadet Officers Charged

[Franko]

Good point Scott937.

How is a background check supposed to prevent an abuse like I posted at the start? Lets get real for a moment.There are lots of molesters out there who haven‘t been caught yet. What is stopping them from joining? Nothing!

The only way we can prevent an abuse from happening is to educate the cadets so that they know what is and what isn‘t appropriate behaviour. Make them aware that they can come forward when an abuse has happened and that action WILL be IMMEDIATE with no reprecussions to the victim.

Hopefully this will diswade any predators(that is what they are) from joining up.

Regards

 

[cdhoult]

If the persons never been caught, clearly it would be hard to keep them from joining the CIC. The CF does everything it can; interviews, security checks, etc, but in the grand scheme of things, if the guy/girl is smart enough (and I'm sure many are...) they could beat the system.

Luckily, with CHAP being taught, many cadets will alert officers of weird behaviour. Many CIC Officers are also parents, and pick up on odd behaviour, and keep a closer eye on that particular officer.

Sadly, things like this will happen. Prevention is the cure. The good guys can't be everywhere at once.

Maybe there was no forewarning to it, maybe there was. You would think you could trust the Sgt not to, but who is to say that a 2Lt is more or less likely to molest than a Sgt (depending on the age of the Sgt and Cadets involved...sometimes they may be close in age, assuming it's a Cadet Sgt).

This is where having a cadet trust you enough to come to you with a complaint will help the cadet involved.

Don't be afraid to be approachable...

 

[Franko]

Good point Chiefy.

Just hope the *******s get caught BEFORE they do something.

Regards

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The problem is most sex offenders are the nicest people you will ever meet{on the outside}. After 15 years in corrections I still get suprised when I check an inmates CPIC. Here is a good rule for you and your kids. STAY ALERT AND PAY ATTENTION. Watch for someone who is not comfortable in an adult situation or constantly wants to takes them alone{IE sleepovers, night patrol, etc.} Generally they are loners and don‘t "work" together.{this is why they love the internet so much}. What makes them so hard to catch on to is again, most[but not all] do not think they are doing something wrong and therefore do not show criminal signs as much as others. Unfortunetly what you said about getting beat in jail is no longer true as about 2/3s of the prison population have sex offences on their records. I‘m sorry this is long but this is very important to know. There are a lot more out there than you realize so I‘ll say it again, if your children are in an organization stay involved untill you are totally satisfied and even then ask questions[to your children] and make suprise visits.{again a generalization but most sex offenders have a strict routine and don‘t like suprises} Having said all that remember that most people who volunteer are just great people who want to help and improve kid‘s lives but also then won‘t mind you being involved. CHEERS

 

[Franko]

Well said and so true Bruce.

Personally, I think it‘s great when parents actually show an interest in cadets to the point of them coming on a regular basis. Then I usually hit them up to see if they would be willing to help out, perhapse even becoming a CI.

Regards

 

[patt]

when i was in Cadets back in Pet, both my parnets helped out my father was on the floor and my mom was in the stores

 

[TG1 GUNNER]

there is no excuse for that and those type of people slip in to youth orginizations like scouts,guides,and most of all cadets its ashame but it happens.

 

[armygurl_557]

Do you think CHAP would prevent this from happening again?

Was anyone here in Kilo coy at Blackdown in 2004? Because that happened with Mcpl _________. He was raping 3 CL girls in the tent next to me. 12 people got RTUed in less than   the 24 hours that I went home one weekend.      *Shakes Head*


(Amended by M. OLeary to remove name.)

 

[Burrows]

MMM I wish I were an officer....That kid woulda gotten a lot more than an RTU for that...Dont care if I got jacked up for it...It woulda been warranted...

 

[mo-litia]

I think they should hang from a lightpost in Downtown Vancouver.

That's too humane, hanging can be a relatively painless execution.   How about letting the victims dole out punishments that they decide on?

That would be true justice.   Of course, after that happened, a long drop and a quick stop would be just what these bastards deserve . . . :rage:

 

[armygurl_557]

Yes, but the CHAP preogram wouldn't allow the victims to dole out the punishments right after the abuse or whatnot. Can you imagine the Parework involved in The aftermath of the punishment?

 

[Burrows]

Theres less paperwork if they die....

 

[armygurl_557]

Tuche Kyle.. Tuche..

 

[condor888000]

Theres less paperwork if they die....

Does anyone know if that's true?? I've been told it is by officiers, but alas, none of my cadets have died on my watch yet so I can't test it... :'(

 

[armygurl_557]

I'm Sure You can Arrage an Experiment of Some Sort Right? I mean if Its for a Good Cause?

 

[Burrows]

Id be willing to volunteer some of my recruit section for it (my new position hopefully...both my TrgO and DCO love the idea) to test that...

 

[armygurl_557]

I'm sure I could supply a few cadets in My corps to help out Kyle..

 

[Love793]

I don't feel the CHAP briefing would have helped a bit.  Obviously the SHARP briefs that the officers had didn't.  Plus it obviously help out that it was clearly spelled out in the Criminal Code of Canada that is was ILLEGAL.

Safety point- To prevent this from reoccurring ,Male or female, never go anywhere with any one unless a third party is with you.

For CIC and CIs- When at a cadet function, never speak with a cadet in private.  Always have someone with you.  If it's a sensitive matter bring in the Padre or Med O.  Always have a witness (Perferably a neutral one)

Staff Cadets- Same thing.

Note for CICs officers.  All CF Members have a Enhanced Rel Check/Security Clearance regularly performed on them.  You can ask the CO of the Reg or Res pers working for you to provide a copy of the updated ERC.  We had to get them from my unit to work with our corps.

Unfortunately this type of thing occurs  in Canadian Society.  We must ALL be aware of it and watch for the signs.  If something doesn't look right, investigate.

 

[Docherty]

  This case really tarnishes the CIC's reputation.... I kind of see it similar to what happened in Somolia.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

This case really tarnishes the CIC's reputation.... I kind of see it similar to what happened in Somolia

How can you even compare this to what happened in Africa??? Wake up before making anymore idiotic comments!!  :