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My understanding of that situation(second hand info), is that it was to diversify themslefs from the americans to try and lessen the terrorist attacks on Canadians. The AR CADPAT resembled the American desert camo too much. If i am wrong dont listen to me then, but this is info from a member of ROTO 0
 
Reaper was on Roto 0 and that was what they were told IIRC.

However on of the reason we went into AR was to diferentiate ourselfs from the Afghan army forces who wear green based camo's

::)

 
Alright, thanks for the clarification. I had also heard things about distinguishing from Americans, but that just cleared it up, thanks.
 
Better to look like a tree in the middle of the desert, then look like an american. ::)
 
Better to look like a tree in the middle of the desert, then look like an american.

I'm still trying to figure out how you've managed to get about 300 posts on this board, many with the same level of maturity as this one.  Keep it up, because the management is starting to notice your stupidity.
 
pics of a recent patrol

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more to follow once I blot out some faces.
 
The move towards Arid CADPAT began during the preparations for the Loya Jirga on Roto 0, due to safety concerns for the Cdn trg cadre with the ANA - certain bodyguards were inclined to shoot anything that was green ... (can't say anything more about that).

And, as illustrated so beautifully by these recent pix (thanks, by the way) there are certain scenarios whereby the arid colour scheme is more useful than green.  Having said that, patrolling in and around downtown Kabul itself wasn't the same as in the mountains (as per the excellent pix).

As for differentiating ISAF from the US-led Coalition forces, perhaps it's useful to remind ourselves (again) that ISAF had/has a slightly different role/approach.  While the Coalition (CJTF) is way out there in the mountains all around Kabul and all over Afghanistan, hunting down and killing, ISAF was/is more focussed on Kabul and trying to restore a sense of "normalcy"
(... whatever that may be ... and, those are my own words, as opposed to "the party line" - also, I'm not objective - I firmly believe the ultimate key to victory lies more in "winning hearts and minds" and thereby cutting the legs out from under the terrorists/guerillas ... as opposed to solely "kicking ass and taking names" ... but, like I said - I'm not objective, and I am the first one to emphasize that the "carrot and the stick" are a team ... in the sense of Teddy Roosevelt's "walk softly, but carry a big stick" ... "The unforgivable crime is soft hitting. Do not hit at all if it can be avoided; but never hit softly.")
 
Think you should stay off the Nanimino Bars.

Pot this is kettle over.


And, as illustrated so beautifully by these recent pix (thanks, by the way) there are certain scenarios whereby the arid colour scheme is more useful than green.  Having said that, patrolling in and around downtown Kabul itself wasn't the same as in the mountains (as per the excellent pix).

The arid pattern works extremly well as you stated.  In the first picture we actually lost our lead scouts down by the rock wall, due to the fact that we couldn't make them out at 250 meters. 
 
MJP said:
The arid pattern works extremly well as you stated.   In the first picture we actually lost our lead scouts down by the rock wall, due to the fact that we couldn't make them out at 250 meters.  

LOL - thanks for that tidbit - I really did LOL!
 
My understanding of that situation(second hand info), is that it was to diversify themslefs from the americans to try and lessen the terrorist attacks on Canadians. The AR CADPAT resembled the American desert camo too much. If i am wrong dont listen to me then, but this is info from a member of ROTO 0

If this is true, we ought to be ashamed of ourselves. This would be the height of cowardly, moral-pedestal jumping Canadian bullsh*t. If ISAF troops (like the PRTs up in ISAF NORTH,or the folks out in SUROBI ) get into the sh*t and ISAF can't help out with its one sqn of NL F-16s, or its one sqn of NL Apaches , guess who's coming in with Apaches, A-10s, AC-130, B-1 or whatever else is required? The US.

If ISAF get hits by a MassCas and its hospitals can't handle the load, guess who has said they will fly medevac and open their hospitals? The US.

Guess who's down on the AFPAK frontier, capturing and killing the baddies before they can get to Kabul and blow up ISAF, meanwhile getting their own soldiers killed or injured? The US.

Guess who runs three times as many PRTs and does loads more reconstruction and civil health assistance than ISAF does? The US.

Guess who carries the load of training, supporting and supplying the ANA and ANP? The US.

Sorry if I'm   bit testy, but "hiding" so that the US takes the hit is just sick. I much prefer to think that the real reason that we didn't wear AR was because there just wasn't enough in the system. Now we all wear it. Cheers.
 
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All you people that think at 35 your too old for the infantry are dreaming.   This man here did his battle school at the ripe age of 49, and now at the age of 53 was patrolling the hills of Afghanistan without difficulty.

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Starting up after a quick break.
 
pbi said:
I much prefer to think that the real reason that we didn't wear AR was because there just wasn't enough in the system. Now we all wear it. Cheers.

It's the ultimate irony ... trying to come up with a politically acceptable cover story, in order to cover up a politically unacceptable reality ...
(i.e. on Roto 0 we were only issued ONE set of arid CADPAT ... and thus we wore green ...)

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave ..."
 
All you people that think at 35 your too old for the infantry are dreaming.  This man here did his battle school at the ripe age of 49, and now at the age of 53 was patrolling the hills of Afghanistan without difficulty.


jeeze......props to him. That is one of the best examples of saying that anyone can defend their nation if they so want to.
 
If this is true, we ought to be ashamed of ourselves. This would be the height of cowardly, moral-pedestal jumping Canadian bullsh*t. If ISAF troops (like the PRTs up in ISAF NORTH,or the folks out in SUROBI ) get into the sh*t and ISAF can't help out with its one sqn of NL F-16s, or its one sqn of NL Apaches , guess who's coming in with Apaches, A-10s, AC-130, B-1 or whatever else is required? The US.

If ISAF get hits by a MassCas and its hospitals can't handle the load, guess who has said they will fly medevac and open their hospitals? The US.

Guess who's down on the AFPAK frontier, capturing and killing the baddies before they can get to Kabul and blow up ISAF, meanwhile getting their own soldiers killed or injured? The US.

Guess who runs three times as many PRTs and does loads more reconstruction and civil health assistance than ISAF does? The US.

Guess who carries the load of training, supporting and supplying the ANA and ANP? The US.

Sorry if I'm  bit testy, but "hiding" so that the US takes the hit is just sick. I much prefer to think that the real reason that we didn't wear AR was because there just wasn't enough in the system. Now we all wear it. Cheers.

Sir, I kindly ask permision to quote your eloquent, no-bullshit retort when this subject comes up at the next cocktail party, in order to make myself appear more intelligent than that "I'm a Slave 4 u" video.  Kudos.

Also, while it is sad that the current administration cannot even ensure that the most visible aspect of the force's equipent, their uniforms, can be adequately provided for (the cost of uniforms and individual load bearing equipment being peanuts compared to most other defence expenditures), I do think many people, especially well meaning civillian observers, overanalyze their importance.

If the majority of prescence patrols on roto 0 and 1 were within the limts of Kabul it self, and LAV mounted, does is *really* matter whether the uniform is green or brown?  I reall some similar comments made about US troops in the initial stages of OIF wearing green uniforms and vests that "didn't match".  The fact that these troops were going into battle on 60 ton, 100km/hour tracked vehicles powered by helicopter engines is seemingly lost on them.

Here's someone who knows better:

"People seem to be spending a lot of time on uniform patterns for combat troops, such as are usually referred to as camouflage. Anyone who has spent any time in the field must realize that cloth patterns, apart from snow clothes, are almost pointless. If you are close enough to a man to discern the pattern of his shirt, it is his outline rather than his pattern that matters. In the Bush War up in Rhodesia, we experimented with this and our conclusion was that the things most readily discerned about a trooper in the field were the backs of his hands and the black line of his firearm. We conducted a number of tests along this line and decided that if an adversary is close enough for his cloth pattern to be important, he is most readily "camouflaged" by blackening the backs of his hands with shoe polish or mud or something of the sort and breaking up the outline of his weapon with irregular bands of masking tape. Oddly enough the face did not stand out anywhere as prominently as the hands, and facial make up seemed more theatrical than effective."

- Jeff Cooper

Source: http://users2.ev1.net/~mkreynolds/jeff/jeff12_10.html
 
Hmmm ... Jeff Cooper's website says:
Please Note. These "Commentaries" are for personal use only. Not for publication.

And, don't be so hard on your own videos, Britney ... sure - money can't buy happiness (or brains), but ... it can buy good looks and pay for lots of that sweat ...
Britney Spears said:
... in order to make myself appear more intelligent than that "I'm a Slave 4 u" video.
 
pbi said:
Sorry if I'm  bit testy, but "hiding" so that the US takes the hit is just sick. I much prefer to think that the real reason that we didn't wear AR was because there just wasn't enough in the system. Now we all wear it. Cheers.

Sorry pbi. That's what we were told, in orders. And we ALL had arid in our barrack boxes on Roto 0. Turned it all in, in the plastic bags, before we left Julien. Got to keep the scarf.
 
I don't think references on a web forum constitute "Publication".  You could say that I am drawing from a non-published source, in which case, feel free to disregard it.

In any case, I noticed the lack of body armour on the recent pics, has the threat level gone down?
 
The fact that troops were told to wear green instead of arid colour uniforms to distinguish themselves from US and other ISAF troops was in official DND press releases.

I though it was a cowardly policy at the time, but no one seemed to make a big fuss about it.
 
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