So what do you propose happens to Sarnia and all its refinery capability? The goal should be to shut down Line 5 and remove any sort of US interference with our refinery capability in Ontario. Just as long as Sarnia has a dedicated feed to it, all within Canada, I don't care how it get's done.
As stated, use Sarnia for all of southern Ontario and exporting refined products to Michigan if you can; I believe that is what it is used for now. It doesn't make sense to drive a pipeline through the Muskokas if you don't have to. It is all rock and small lakes. One reason they avoided railway construction until well into the 20th century
Understood.
Line 5 supplies Sarnia because that's where we refine and distribute to supply Ontario. Montreal serves as the end of Line 5 and a shipping port. Line 5 does not exist, strictly to supply the Montreal shipping facility. It is simply the end of the line. There are lots of customers before it get to Quebec.
and you are saying that Sarnia can't become the end of the line and simply reverse the flow out of Montreal? that implies that Sarnia is shipping finished product eastbound. OK.Line 5 supplies Sarnia because that's where we refine and distribute to supply Ontario. Montreal serves as the end of Line 5 and a shipping port. Line 5 does not exist, strictly to supply the Montreal shipping facility. It is simply the end of the line. There are lots of customers before it get to Quebec.
We don't refine for Michigan. Once it gets to Sarnia it stays on the Canadian side.
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Just leave the existing line for Michigan. They can decide whatever to do with it. If we have a replacement going over the Superior Lakehead, the US can't threaten it.
Understand.
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If we found an alternative, as the kids say these days, 'that sounds like a them problem'.Line 5 and the History of Canada-US Pipelines
Line 5 and the History of Canada-US Hydrocarbon Pipelines
As recent history makes clear, Canada is one of the world’s premier climate villains.
Shut down the portion from Duluth to the Straits of Mackinac, Michigan.
From a 2013 article on Energy East about converting existing under utilized gas lines and converting them to oil.
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PS - presumably the 500 Mb/d should actually be 0.5 Mbpd or 500,000 bpd. Alberta production is 4 Mbpd.
What Becomes of the Empty Pipelines? TransCanada’s Mainline Conversion to Oil
The TransCanada Energy East project proposes converting 1865 miles of the natural gas Mainline system and constructing 870 miles of new pipeline to deliver at least 500 Mb/d of crude oil to eastern Canada from Alberta.rbnenergy.com
There are three pipes in the Trans Canada Pipeline corridor at Cochrane. From Cochrane they run south to North Bay.
If one of those lines were converted to oil you could feed Sarnia.
If one of them were diverted to feed an LNG facility at Moosonee you could fill another line.
If you needed another pipe in the corridor the right of way has already been approved, validated and verified through 75 years of service.
If Quebec wants in they would be welcome. But both oil and gas should get to salt water as soon as possible, either in Manitoba or Ontario or both.
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Yes, Sarnia ships finished product, it refines things like jet fuel for Peason Airport and other petroleum products. The supply flow is west to east. Montreal is the end of the line. They have no flow to reverse. New York also takes crude through Line 10. The pipeline originates in North Westover, Ontario, and terminates in West Seneca, New York.
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Most gas pipes are significantly bigger than oil pipelines. Plus all the compressor and pig stations will have to be modified at the very least. Any suspended pipe will need to be checked to see if it can carry a liquid load without problem. All the feed and distribution system into the pipeline will need changing.From a 2013 article on Energy East about converting existing under utilized gas lines and converting them to oil.
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PS - presumably the 500 Mb/d should actually be 0.5 Mbpd or 500,000 bpd. Alberta production is 4 Mbpd.
What Becomes of the Empty Pipelines? TransCanada’s Mainline Conversion to Oil
The TransCanada Energy East project proposes converting 1865 miles of the natural gas Mainline system and constructing 870 miles of new pipeline to deliver at least 500 Mb/d of crude oil to eastern Canada from Alberta.
There are three pipes in the Trans Canada Pipeline corridor at Cochrane. From Cochrane they run south to North Bay.
If one of those lines were converted to oil you could feed Sarnia.
If one of them were diverted to feed an LNG facility at Moosonee you could fill another line.
If you needed another pipe in the corridor the right of way has already been approved, validated and verified through 75 years of service.
If Quebec wants in they would be welcome. But both oil and gas should get to salt water as soon as possible, either in Manitoba or Ontario or both.
After all BC hasn't limited itself to one LNG port for its natural gas nor to one port for its coal. And it has a small oil port.
Coal Ports
- Roberts Bank at Vancouver
- Ridley Island at Prince Rupert
Natural Gas Ports
- Natural Gas Liquids from Prince Rupert
- Liquefied Natural Gas from Kitimat (2 phases and 1 independent)
- Liquefied Natural Gas from Squamish
- Liquefied Natural Gas from Gingolx upriver from Lax Kw'alaams and Prince Rupert
- Liquefied Natural Gas from Delta at Vancouver
Oil Ports
- Western Canadian Shale from Burnaby at Vancouver.
BC serves its own needs well.
Why not have terminals at Churchill, Nelson and Moosonee?
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My nephew did a thesis in the area, related to potentiel effects on potentiel underwater structures.The Kispiox challenge fails... onwards to the coast!
Legal challenge to major B.C. gas pipeline thrown out by judge
Court rejects Indigenous and environmental groups' challenge to the Prince Rupert Gas Transmission project over lack of standing.
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