Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Jarnhamar]

One of those things that’s happened up north for a long time- a lot of the villages are dry and demand it be enforced

I can't imagine what police up north have to deal with on a daily basis.

Northern communities would imode without a steady influx of RCMP and other outside resources like doctors, food and fuel.

 

[Booter]

Legal authority is highly overrated. Let's just search whatever mail we want - Nunavut RCMP.

"It’s illegal for Canadian police to search mail in transit, but it had been commonplace in the territory, according to Nunavut RCMP Chief Supt. Kent Pike."

Read more at: Forced to stop searching mail, RCMP lean on other methods of detecting illegal drugs, alcohol shipped to Nunavut - Nunavut News

Forced to stop searching mail, RCMP lean on other methods of detecting illegal drugs, alcohol shipped to Nunavut - Nunavut News

Proposed federal legislation could allow police searches to resume

nunavutnews.com

Yeah they have always no case seizured drugs and alcohol out of the mail. It’s goes in cycles.

The community councils are very vocal that they get to decide what comes into their communities and often the police are more than happy to oblige. Seizing liquor and drugs at the airports and the post office. These also aren’t communities with a post office- they are contracted into the northern stores and the employees call in drugs. And then the community leadership want to know what we are doing when they watch drugs pass through the post office. There are also warrants obtained but those warrants also are tossed in court because the courts do not understand the reality of 350 people in the Arctic.

Even where there are community bylaws there isn’t an authority but it’s always been a convo.

The chief Superintendent is TRYING to get them to get rid of a historical practice that is older than the charter in the territory. And you guys think it’s wrong that he is admitting it.

I wonder what your response would be if he denied the problem existed.

I’ve personally seen this conversation come around three times before. Often brought up by police and not Canada post.

The law assumes a structure that doesn’t exist and the police are left to manage community expectations without the support of the courts. Making a call of losing their trust with the community or taking Roger’s cocaine.

 

[Booter]

Decades ago there was a drug investigator in Iqaluit who had basically made CIs of people who shouldn’t be CIs and rode rip shod over the charter, the law, and even the most basic of standards.

He was eventually resigned from the force. He was an example of an actual literal abuse and not caring about the laws surrounding this.

He also would bring in the drug dog as the mail and passengers all use the same pipeline into the territory and would have them walk the line on “tips”.

Walking case law. I couldn’t stand him. But he had all the seizures and in the time before a lot of this focus results led more than how.

It would be nice if this could lead to them to correcting this as a territory. At least being on the same line across the board in the territory in concert with Justice and the Territorial Gov

Another province I was on Hadrians wall in we were out of step with the federal laws but the province, justice, local leadership were all onboard so we were consistent with the intent of all the levels. That was more comfortable as everyone was being transparent and still operating in the rules. Just provincially. As we couldn’t influence the law in the area where we needed to federally.

I don’t believe that’s still a thing though.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The law assumes a structure that doesn’t exist and the police are left to manage community expectations without the support of the courts. Making a call of losing their trust with the community or taking Roger’s cococaine.

Guessing when things get out of hand in a community with a lot of drugs or ODs the RCMP get slammed for not stopping it.

 

[Booter]

Guessing when things get out of hand in a community with a lot of drugs or ODs the RCMP get slammed for not stopping it.

The problem is when there is a legitimate way to get it done and they don’t use those tools.

I guess it’s….
Maintain the right. Not necessarily what’s legal.

Which is terrible advice and practice but it can be what the world looks like in grey places maybe?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yeah they have always no case seizured drugs and alcohol out of the mail. It’s goes in cycles.

The community councils are very vocal that they get to decide what comes into their communities and often the police are more than happy to oblige. Seizing liquor and drugs at the airports and the post office. These also aren’t communities with a post office- they are contracted into the northern stores and the employees call in drugs. And then the community leadership want to know what we are doing when they watch drugs pass through the post office. There are also warrants obtained but those warrants also are tossed in court because the courts do not understand the reality of 350 people in the Arctic.

Even where there are community bylaws there isn’t an authority but it’s always been a convo.

The chief Superintendent is TRYING to get them to get rid of a historical practice that is older than the charter in the territory. And you guys think it’s wrong that he is admitting it.

I wonder what your response would be if he denied the problem existed.

I’ve personally seen this conversation come around three times before. Often brought up by police and not Canada post.

The law assumes a structure that doesn’t exist and the police are left to manage community expectations without the support of the courts. Making a call of losing their trust with the community or taking Roger’s cocaine.

And we haven't even broached the subject of alcohol yet

 

[Haggis]

And we haven't even broached the subject of alcohol yet

I did a few deployments north of 60 where all our kit was searched prior to departure for commercial and non-commercial alcohol.

 

[lenaitch]

Legal authority is highly overrated. Let's just search whatever mail we want - Nunavut RCMP.

"It’s illegal for Canadian police to search mail in transit, but it had been commonplace in the territory, according to Nunavut RCMP Chief Supt. Kent Pike."

Read more at: Forced to stop searching mail, RCMP lean on other methods of detecting illegal drugs, alcohol shipped to Nunavut - Nunavut News

Forced to stop searching mail, RCMP lean on other methods of detecting illegal drugs, alcohol shipped to Nunavut - Nunavut News

Proposed federal legislation could allow police searches to resume

nunavutnews.com

Reminds me of the pre-Charter days when certain RCMP members had Writs of Assistance, typically for drugs (NCA and FDA back then).

My remote FN service pre-dates the illicit drug problem but most band councils were pretty determined to keep their reserves dry. Because it was band bylaw-based, we didn't get involved so it was left to band constables (where they existed) and/or council members. They weren't shy about rooting through just about anything coming off a plane. I don't recall any issue with mail-borne crime. When the ice roads opened, some set barriers at the FNT boundary.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Not very topical, but I spent a few weeks in Tuk in the 70's. They had a no alcohol policy. They also had a 10x10 log room, dirt floor and a bucket. No heat. They called it the Tuk Tuk Alcohol Centre. It did a pretty brisk business while we were there.

 

[Booter]

Reminds me of the pre-Charter days when certain RCMP members had Writs of Assistance, typically for drugs (NCA and FDA back then).

My remote FN service pre-dates the illicit drug problem but most band councils were pretty determined to keep their reserves dry. Because it was band bylaw-based, we didn't get involved so it was left to band constables (where they existed) and/or council members. They weren't shy about rooting through just about anything coming off a plane. I don't recall any issue with mail-borne crime. When the ice roads opened, some set barriers at the FNT boundary.

Band Constables is another issue altogether!

 

[lenaitch]

Band Constables is another issue altogether!

My experience back in the day was certainly a mixed bag. Some handled the fact that they were essentially a band employee (but paid by the province as special constables) better than others. Back then there was no movement; BCs were from the FN so ended up policing their own neighbours and families. An unenviable situation.

Ontario has dodged that now. FNTs are policed by either a stand-alone FNPS (if they are large enough) or one of three deployed FNPSs. There are a couple of FNs, one at least that comes to mind, that opted out of all of it and are still policed directly by the OPP.