Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[mariomike]

'Unarmed' Myles Gray ... whew

March 2026 Myles Gray Update

A Paramedic testified at the Hearing this month regarding Vital Signs and Chemical Restraint,

He was dead when I got there and he was dead when I left.

According to the 2023 Coroner's Inquest,

The police officers had requested and were awaiting the arrival of paramedics to administer sedation to assist in controlling Gray

 

[lenaitch]

He was dead when I got there and he was dead when I left.

Reminds me of:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

Or:

ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Brace, brace, brace...

Complaint commissioner announces 'systemic' probe into B.C. police sexual misconduct​

Complaints of sexualized conduct in municipal police departments in British Columbia have been frequent enough for police complaint commissioner Prabhu Rajan to launch his office's first ever systemic investigation to look into how departments deal with such complaints.

The Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner announced the probe Wednesday, marking the police watchdog's first exercise of the power granted after an amendment to B.C.'s Police Act.

"Sexualized conduct in police workplaces, municipal police work places has been a recurring issue that I've seen far too often," Rajan said in an interview Wednesday.

Rajan said he hopes the investigation can shed light on how police forces can better handle sexual misconduct complaints, "to close any gaps and to protect people who may report and to strengthen public trust."

He said using the office's systemic investigation power for the first time would allow it to examine issues with "broad impact," since sexualized conduct affects not only individual officers, but also potential police recruits and the public at large.

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/complaint-commissioner-announces-systemic-probe-into-bc-police-sexual-misconduct-12057990

 

[Haggis]

I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.

 

[brihard]

I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.

I interpreted that to mean police reservists and members on overtime but yeah. I don’t see that happening.

 

[Haggis]

I interpreted that to mean police reservists and members on overtime but yeah. I don’t see that happening.

From speaking to some former cops I work with it seems that this will not be limited to retired and/or off duty RCMP members but will be open to members of other agencis regardless of whether or not that agency has signed on.

How, exactly, they plan to pull it off, both pre and post October 30, 2026, remains unknown.

 

[brihard]

From speaking to some former cops I work with it seems that this will not be limited to retired and/or off duty RCMP members but will be open to members of other agencis regardless of whether or not that agency has signed on.

How, exactly, they plan to pull it off, both pre and post October 30, 2026, remains unknown.

Unless they hire those other people away from those other agencies or out of retirement, I don’t see that happening. There’s no way that, say, Lethbridge police would let their off duty members take overtime working something like this. Retired municipal cops hiring on as RCMP reservists? Ok, sure… But I don’t think there would be much uptake for a task like that.

The whole thing sounds to me like a bright idea fairy whose wings will be clipped.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.

Nothing brings a country together and heals divisions like criminalizing millions of otherwise law abiding citizens at the stroke of a hand on a clock.

Nothing good will come of this.

 

[Haggis]

Unless they hire those other people away from those other agencies or out of retirement, I don’t see that happening. There’s no way that, say, Lethbridge police would let their off duty members take overtime working something like this. Retired municipal cops hiring on as RCMP reservists? Ok, sure… But I don’t think there would be much uptake for a task like that.

The whole thing sounds to me like a bright idea fairy whose wings will be clipped.

That may be the COA. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We can continue this specific discussion in the Gun Control thread until something goes sideways with the project and that story ends up here.

 

[Booter]

I don’t believe the police on the gun forums have an understanding of how police contracts and deployments work, I disagree- my uniformed, know nothing more than you guys thoughts:

Hypothetically, RCMP reservists are like 60 years old. The reservist recruitment process is way behind, super slow, and unless they recruited a bunch of new police for this that isn’t possible. They would have to suspend the recruitment of reservists to meet our contract needs to bring this up to speed to exclusively work on this. Also- the contract divisions are following their contract partners, the provinces, leads on this- we Are contracted by a province and take our leads from the province (on the contract side) the only folks available to do this are the federal officers. And if we turn the limited resources in federal towards this- we may as well break the force in two because contract will not survive the federal left hand doing something while the contract right hand says “that’s not technically us”

And again, hypothetically the risk assessment doesn’t allow for it. The association isn’t going to allow senior citizens to go door to door collecting guns against the owners will without the appropriate risk mitigation, which doesn’t exist with the capacity to do what’s being suggested. I also don’t believe incident commanders are going to bring that to bear on people because they shouldn’t be interested in potentially shooting someone over a regulatory thing. Even if it’s suddenly become criminal. It’s not a necessary, risk effective, accountable action that would be accepted by the public,

The rcmp is then also on the hook for the litigation, coming from a provincial pot for these actions- Unless using the federal officers only. And there will be an immediate overwhelming of the complaint process and the civil process by the owners, and the courts as we account for all the seizures.

In a municipal or provincial contract, only so many officers are allowed to pulled into these larger federal actions without activating a bunch of processes that send provinces into a rage. We have to account for it, the province would have to accept reduced public safety to dedicate to this- while dealing with the community leadership calling for their heads.

Also, municipal agencies control their secondary employment or where they can work. If they haven’t signed on- they aren’t going to accept the liability, the complaints, the leeching of their resources to man the gun turn-in box.

Could I be wrong? absolutely. On everything, But the machinery as is doesn’t jive with this idea at present and I haven’t seen anything telegraphed that it’s changing soon.

I’m still on watch and shoot. I don’t understand how all this is resolved over the next few months. It looks like we re in a bit of a corner for all parties involved which makes it hard to really solve something,

Say someone gets hurt the first few weeks in a province that gets really gung ho on it- we don’t have any idea what will happen after that. And that could be different still if everything went smoothly for a bit and it emboldened the people driving this.

It so wide and unknown that it’s hard to make even WAGs on it, I still suspect it’ll be pressure applied elsewhere like taxes or passports something to place adjacent pressure on the homes that are noncompliant.

 

[brihard]

I don’t believe the police on the gun forums have an understanding of how police contracts and deployments work, I disagree- my uniformed, know nothing more than you guys thoughts:

Hypothetically, RCMP reservists are like 60 years old. The reservist recruitment process is way behind, super slow, and unless they recruited a bunch of new police for this that isn’t possible. They would have to suspend the recruitment of reservists to meet our contract needs to bring this up to speed to exclusively work on this. Also- the contract divisions are following their contract partners, the provinces, leads on this- we Are contracted by a province and take our leads from the province (on the contract side) the only folks available to do this are the federal officers. And if we turn the limited resources in federal towards this- we may as well break the force in two because contract will not survive the federal left hand doing something while the contract right hand says “that’s not technically us”

And again, hypothetically the risk assessment doesn’t allow for it. The association isn’t going to allow senior citizens to go door to door collecting guns against the owners will without the appropriate risk mitigation, which doesn’t exist with the capacity to do what’s being suggested. I also don’t believe incident commanders are going to bring that to bear on people because they shouldn’t be interested in potentially shooting someone over a regulatory thing. Even if it’s suddenly become criminal. It’s not a necessary, risk effective, accountable action that would be accepted by the public,

The rcmp is then also on the hook for the litigation, coming from a provincial pot for these actions- Unless using the federal officers only. And there will be an immediate overwhelming of the complaint process and the civil process by the owners, and the courts as we account for all the seizures.

In a municipal or provincial contract, only so many officers are allowed to pulled into these larger federal actions without activating a bunch of processes that send provinces into a rage. We have to account for it, the province would have to accept reduced public safety to dedicate to this- while dealing with the community leadership calling for their heads.

Also, municipal agencies control their secondary employment or where they can work. If they haven’t signed on- they aren’t going to accept the liability, the complaints, the leeching of their resources to man the gun turn-in box.

Could I be wrong? absolutely. On everything, But the machinery as is doesn’t jive with this idea at present and I haven’t seen anything telegraphed that it’s changing soon.

I’m still on watch and shoot. I don’t understand how all this is resolved over the next few months. It looks like we re in a bit of a corner for all parties involved which makes it hard to really solve something,

Say someone gets hurt the first few weeks in a province that gets really gung ho on it- we don’t have any idea what will happen after that. And that could be different still if everything went smoothly for a bit and it emboldened the people driving this.

It so wide and unknown that it’s hard to make even WAGs on it, I still suspect it’ll be pressure applied elsewhere like taxes or passports something to place adjacent pressure on the homes that are noncompliant.

I don’t think you’re wrong on any of that. I think you’re absolutely bang on.

 

[Jarnhamar]

My bet is the mobile gun turn in will go very smoothly.

People who have identified owning these guns want their money. Some might be grumpy or lipy but that's about it.

The government is going to be paying these gun collectors big money to do this so why wouldn't off duty cops and anyone else want to get in on the action and drive around a truck throwing some guns in the back.

Cops et el will get doxxed (it's not like they can wear masks doing this) and do something crying about that but that's the consequences sometimes.


The real fireworks will be if the government backs out of paying gun owners, there's clearly enough money in the pot considering the meager numbers turned in.

 

[Haggis]

The association isn’t going to allow senior citizens to go door to door collecting guns against the owners will without the appropriate risk mitigation, which doesn’t exist with the capacity to do what’s being suggested. I also don’t believe incident commanders are going to bring that to bear on people because they shouldn’t be interested in potentially shooting someone over a regulatory thing. Even if it’s suddenly become criminal. It’s not a necessary, risk effective, accountable action that would be accepted by the public,

The Minister has said that the collection phase, which starts on April 1, will not be a door-to-door exercise, but has not outlined how it will be conducted, either.

After October 30, when the confiscation phase begins, it will likely fall to regular sworn members of police services.

In a municipal or provincial contract, only so many officers are allowed to pulled into these larger federal actions without activating a bunch of processes that send provinces into a rage. We have to account for it, the province would have to accept reduced public safety to dedicate to this- while dealing with the community leadership calling for their heads.

Also, municipal agencies control their secondary employment or where they can work. If they haven’t signed on- they aren’t going to accept the liability, the complaints, the leeching of their resources to man the gun turn-in box.

Could I be wrong? absolutely. On everything, But the machinery as is doesn’t jive with this idea at present and I haven’t seen anything telegraphed that it’s changing soon.

I’m still on watch and shoot. I don’t understand how all this is resolved over the next few months. It looks like we re in a bit of a corner for all parties involved which makes it hard to really solve something,

Say someone gets hurt the first few weeks in a province that gets really gung ho on it- we don’t have any idea what will happen after that. And that could be different still if everything went smoothly for a bit and it emboldened the people driving this.

It will be worse if the injured party is, for example, a family member or friend of a PAL holder, who was just "in the way".

It so wide and unknown that it’s hard to make even WAGs on it, I still suspect it’ll be pressure applied elsewhere like taxes or passports something to place adjacent pressure on the homes that are noncompliant.

There would doubtless be court and charter challenges in response to any actions of this type, particularly involving non-declared and previously non-registered (non-restricted) firearms.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Might be time to cut some of those over to gun control thread.

 

[Booter]

The Minister has said that the collection phase, which starts on April 1, will not be a door-to-door exercise, but has not outlined how it will be conducted, either.

After October 30, when the confiscation phase begins, it will likely fall to regular sworn members of police services.

It will be worse if the injured party is, for example, a family member or friend of a PAL holder, who was just "in the way".

There would doubtless be court and charter challenges in response to any actions of this type, particularly involving non-declared and previously non-registered (non-restricted) firearms.

The minister says all types of things as things evolve and move along. I would be aware of anything resembling that suggestion- out west. I’m making guesses like we all are. Not “door to door” is one thing- but it also won’t be feasible to be targeted outside of being adjunct to other criminal investigations. The teams required to such a thing to not have the bandwidth to now take on this.

I suspect if there was some place planning on doing something wildly different I would anticipate we would be discussing our own messaging now. And we aren’t.

It’s not indisputable truth- but I have to read between the silent lines.

Municipal agencies excluded of course.

We ll see!

 

[Haggis]

The minister says all types of things as things evolve and move along. I would be aware of anything resembling that suggestion- out west. I’m making guesses like we all are. Not “door to door” is one thing- but it also won’t be feasible to be targeted outside of being adjunct to other criminal investigations. The teams required to such a thing to not have the bandwidth to now take on this.

I suspect if there was some place planning on doing something wildly different I would anticipate we would be discussing our own messaging now. And we aren’t.

It’s not indisputable truth- but I have to read between the silent lines.

Municipal agencies excluded of course.

We ll see!

My guess is that the mobile collection will be similar to what was attempted in Cape Breton. The only jurisdiction where I see police taking a pro-active role in confiscations following the expiry of the amnesty is QC.

The Minister has not said exactly which services these retired and or off duty police would come from. The assumption is that it would be Mounties. However, there is a lot of money to be made by those officers who choose to participate in this scheme as I assume their participation would be compensated at the same hourly rate as paid duty assignments.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hundred bucks an hour, not too shabby.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Hundred bucks an hour, not too shabby.

Hopefully it won't get paid through Phoenix

 

[GR66]

Hundred bucks an hour, not too shabby.

No wonder they're expecting to run out of compensation money!

 

[mariomike]

So, how can a police officer meet the minimum standards when they are prohibited by law from using a firearm?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/const-goran-beric-suspended-sentence-1.7085163

Don't know.

But, he made the Sunshine List.

Fri, March 27, 2026

Ottawa police officer suspended since 2023 makes Ontario's Sunshine List​

Const. Goran Beric made $131,149.79 last year, according to the database.

Ottawa police officer suspended since 2023 makes Ontario's Sunshine List

Const. Goran Beric was suspended with pay after being convicted of assault.

ca.news.yahoo.com