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Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

How very fortunate for them that it took so long.

PHOENIX — The Phoenix Police Department will not discipline any officers for their roles in a massive city scandal where officials invented a fake gang and then falsely charged protesters as members back in 2020.

In a press release, the department wrote that six officers were internally investigated with Chief Matt Giordano ultimately determining that three violated policy.

However, sources tell ABC15 all three officers who violated policy are now retired and can’t be disciplined.

One of the key officials involved in the gang charges was Sgt. Doug McBride, who was the officer who misled a grand jury to secure the indictment, records show.

The court called his testimony “egregious.”

McBride retired in December 2025 before the internal investigation was completed, and he now collects a $98,000 annual pension.

 
How very fortunate for them that it took so long.




Holy shit.

The scandal largely began following the arrest of a group of 17 protesters on October 21, 2020. In the days after the arrest, Phoenix officers and county prosecutors colluded to invent a gang and then falsely charge the protesters as members.

The city and county stood by the charges until February 2021, when ABC15 launched its “Politically Charged” investigation.

The news series exposed how Phoenix police and county prosecutors lied to a grand jury to obtain the gang charges and testified that the protesters were comparable to the Bloods, Crips, and Hells Angels, according to a confidential transcript obtained by ABC15.


As a direct result of ABC15's investigation, more than 40 felony protest cases were dismissed, the city and county admitted to widespread failures with the arrests, and the lead prosecutor was suspended from practicing law for at least two years and may never practice again.
 
They can probably waive their qualified immunity goodbye. Numerous courts have ruled that QI only exists when the offending action was unintentional and likely unavoidable. It would be quite the argument to say that knowingly creating a fictitious narrative to justify false charges meets that definition. Bring on the lawsuits.
 
Yikes...

Ex-Detroit police sergeant led 'double life' as serial rapist, prosecutor says​


DETROIT (WXYZ) — A former Detroit police sergeant who spent nearly 30 years on the force allegedly led a double life as an officer and a serial rapist, according to Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy.

Benjamin Wagner, 68, is now facing charges in five separate sexual assaults of girls and women between the ages of 15 and 23 from 1999 and 2003 in Northwest Detroit.


 
'Unarmed' Myles Gray ... whew

March 2026 Myles Gray Update

A Paramedic testified at the Hearing this month regarding Vital Signs and Chemical Restraint,

He was dead when I got there and he was dead when I left.

According to the 2023 Coroner's Inquest,

The police officers had requested and were awaiting the arrival of paramedics to administer sedation to assist in controlling Gray
 
He was dead when I got there and he was dead when I left.

Reminds me of:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

Or:

ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
 
Brace, brace, brace...

Complaint commissioner announces 'systemic' probe into B.C. police sexual misconduct​


Complaints of sexualized conduct in municipal police departments in British Columbia have been frequent enough for police complaint commissioner Prabhu Rajan to launch his office's first ever systemic investigation to look into how departments deal with such complaints.

The Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner announced the probe Wednesday, marking the police watchdog's first exercise of the power granted after an amendment to B.C.'s Police Act.

"Sexualized conduct in police workplaces, municipal police work places has been a recurring issue that I've seen far too often," Rajan said in an interview Wednesday.

Rajan said he hopes the investigation can shed light on how police forces can better handle sexual misconduct complaints, "to close any gaps and to protect people who may report and to strengthen public trust."

He said using the office's systemic investigation power for the first time would allow it to examine issues with "broad impact," since sexualized conduct affects not only individual officers, but also potential police recruits and the public at large.

 
I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.
 
I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.
I interpreted that to mean police reservists and members on overtime but yeah. I don’t see that happening.
 
I interpreted that to mean police reservists and members on overtime but yeah. I don’t see that happening.
From speaking to some former cops I work with it seems that this will not be limited to retired and/or off duty RCMP members but will be open to members of other agencis regardless of whether or not that agency has signed on.

How, exactly, they plan to pull it off, both pre and post October 30, 2026, remains unknown.
 
From speaking to some former cops I work with it seems that this will not be limited to retired and/or off duty RCMP members but will be open to members of other agencis regardless of whether or not that agency has signed on.

How, exactly, they plan to pull it off, both pre and post October 30, 2026, remains unknown.
Unless they hire those other people away from those other agencies or out of retirement, I don’t see that happening. There’s no way that, say, Lethbridge police would let their off duty members take overtime working something like this. Retired municipal cops hiring on as RCMP reservists? Ok, sure… But I don’t think there would be much uptake for a task like that.

The whole thing sounds to me like a bright idea fairy whose wings will be clipped.
 
I wonder how much this thread will grow once long retired and off duty coppers start collecting banned guns.

Nothing brings a country together and heals divisions like criminalizing millions of otherwise law abiding citizens at the stroke of a hand on a clock.

Nothing good will come of this.
 
Unless they hire those other people away from those other agencies or out of retirement, I don’t see that happening. There’s no way that, say, Lethbridge police would let their off duty members take overtime working something like this. Retired municipal cops hiring on as RCMP reservists? Ok, sure… But I don’t think there would be much uptake for a task like that.

The whole thing sounds to me like a bright idea fairy whose wings will be clipped.
That may be the COA. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We can continue this specific discussion in the Gun Control thread until something goes sideways with the project and that story ends up here.
 
I don’t believe the police on the gun forums have an understanding of how police contracts and deployments work, I disagree- my uniformed, know nothing more than you guys thoughts:

Hypothetically, RCMP reservists are like 60 years old. The reservist recruitment process is way behind, super slow, and unless they recruited a bunch of new police for this that isn’t possible. They would have to suspend the recruitment of reservists to meet our contract needs to bring this up to speed to exclusively work on this. Also- the contract divisions are following their contract partners, the provinces, leads on this- we Are contracted by a province and take our leads from the province (on the contract side) the only folks available to do this are the federal officers. And if we turn the limited resources in federal towards this- we may as well break the force in two because contract will not survive the federal left hand doing something while the contract right hand says “that’s not technically us”

And again, hypothetically the risk assessment doesn’t allow for it. The association isn’t going to allow senior citizens to go door to door collecting guns against the owners will without the appropriate risk mitigation, which doesn’t exist with the capacity to do what’s being suggested. I also don’t believe incident commanders are going to bring that to bear on people because they shouldn’t be interested in potentially shooting someone over a regulatory thing. Even if it’s suddenly become criminal. It’s not a necessary, risk effective, accountable action that would be accepted by the public,

The rcmp is then also on the hook for the litigation, coming from a provincial pot for these actions- Unless using the federal officers only. And there will be an immediate overwhelming of the complaint process and the civil process by the owners, and the courts as we account for all the seizures.

In a municipal or provincial contract, only so many officers are allowed to pulled into these larger federal actions without activating a bunch of processes that send provinces into a rage. We have to account for it, the province would have to accept reduced public safety to dedicate to this- while dealing with the community leadership calling for their heads.

Also, municipal agencies control their secondary employment or where they can work. If they haven’t signed on- they aren’t going to accept the liability, the complaints, the leeching of their resources to man the gun turn-in box.

Could I be wrong? absolutely. On everything, But the machinery as is doesn’t jive with this idea at present and I haven’t seen anything telegraphed that it’s changing soon.

I’m still on watch and shoot. I don’t understand how all this is resolved over the next few months. It looks like we re in a bit of a corner for all parties involved which makes it hard to really solve something,

Say someone gets hurt the first few weeks in a province that gets really gung ho on it- we don’t have any idea what will happen after that. And that could be different still if everything went smoothly for a bit and it emboldened the people driving this.

It so wide and unknown that it’s hard to make even WAGs on it, I still suspect it’ll be pressure applied elsewhere like taxes or passports something to place adjacent pressure on the homes that are noncompliant.
 
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I don’t believe the police on the gun forums have an understanding of how police contracts and deployments work, I disagree- my uniformed, know nothing more than you guys thoughts:

Hypothetically, RCMP reservists are like 60 years old. The reservist recruitment process is way behind, super slow, and unless they recruited a bunch of new police for this that isn’t possible. They would have to suspend the recruitment of reservists to meet our contract needs to bring this up to speed to exclusively work on this. Also- the contract divisions are following their contract partners, the provinces, leads on this- we Are contracted by a province and take our leads from the province (on the contract side) the only folks available to do this are the federal officers. And if we turn the limited resources in federal towards this- we may as well break the force in two because contract will not survive the federal left hand doing something while the contract right hand says “that’s not technically us”

And again, hypothetically the risk assessment doesn’t allow for it. The association isn’t going to allow senior citizens to go door to door collecting guns against the owners will without the appropriate risk mitigation, which doesn’t exist with the capacity to do what’s being suggested. I also don’t believe incident commanders are going to bring that to bear on people because they shouldn’t be interested in potentially shooting someone over a regulatory thing. Even if it’s suddenly become criminal. It’s not a necessary, risk effective, accountable action that would be accepted by the public,

The rcmp is then also on the hook for the litigation, coming from a provincial pot for these actions- Unless using the federal officers only. And there will be an immediate overwhelming of the complaint process and the civil process by the owners, and the courts as we account for all the seizures.

In a municipal or provincial contract, only so many officers are allowed to pulled into these larger federal actions without activating a bunch of processes that send provinces into a rage. We have to account for it, the province would have to accept reduced public safety to dedicate to this- while dealing with the community leadership calling for their heads.

Also, municipal agencies control their secondary employment or where they can work. If they haven’t signed on- they aren’t going to accept the liability, the complaints, the leeching of their resources to man the gun turn-in box.

Could I be wrong? absolutely. On everything, But the machinery as is doesn’t jive with this idea at present and I haven’t seen anything telegraphed that it’s changing soon.

I’m still on watch and shoot. I don’t understand how all this is resolved over the next few months. It looks like we re in a bit of a corner for all parties involved which makes it hard to really solve something,

Say someone gets hurt the first few weeks in a province that gets really gung ho on it- we don’t have any idea what will happen after that. And that could be different still if everything went smoothly for a bit and it emboldened the people driving this.

It so wide and unknown that it’s hard to make even WAGs on it, I still suspect it’ll be pressure applied elsewhere like taxes or passports something to place adjacent pressure on the homes that are noncompliant.
I don’t think you’re wrong on any of that. I think you’re absolutely bang on.
 
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