Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Jarnhamar]

Chlorine gas is uh… Pretty different from CS. This would be a major no no under the Chemical Weapons Convent

For the sake of curious debate, would that be applicable? Soldiers can't use CS gas on enemy combatants because it's considered a chemical weapon, but soldiers could use it against civilians rioting at a front gate because it's being used as a crowd control agent (if I'm not mistaken?)

Similarly police can use hollow points in Canada but soldiers couldn't while deployed.

Military Police deployed as police officers could carry hollow point ammo but Military Police deployed as field platoon MP's are issued ball ammunition because they facing off against enemy soldiers in the field.

As far-fetched as the suggestion is, wouldn't something like chlorine gas being used as a crowd control agent be similar to using CS gas on protestors or smoke & fire to get someone out of a house?

 

[Booter]

There is a lethal force order in the background here- not being involved and not having any special knowledge, I can say that any lethal force order is rescinded and re-evaluated against the circumstances constantly. The fact that it was in play still means that there was real threat in the moment this was used. That’s all I can read between the lines from the news story.

The order isn’t issued and then it just hangs over the event.

 

[dapaterson]

As far-fetched as the suggestion is, wouldn't something like chlorine gas being used as a crowd control agent be similar to using CS gas on protestors or smoke & fire to get someone out of a house?

No.

CS dissipates and normally does not do long term respiratory damage.

Chlorine gas, in high concentrations, will destroy your lungs.

 

[Kilted]

Setting the house on fire gave him some added incentive to get the hell out, plus it put the RCMP in a more advantageous position to deal with someone armed and willing to shoot at police. Two thumbs up.


Not to sound mental (can I say that?) but chlorine gas would work too. Having been accidentally poisoned and almost killed by chlorine gas myself (funny story) that shit is crazy. Shrinks your lungs up and basically turns your mucus membranes acidic. I spent a week laying down feeling like I was breathing through a straw because my lungs couldn't properly inflate. It would definitely make someone not think about shooting police.

Did that occur in Meaford?

 

[Jarnhamar]

No.

CS dissipates and normally does not do long term respiratory damage.

Chlorine gas, in high concentrations, will destroy your lungs.

While I think fire and lead in high concentrations also destroy ones lungs you have a point. Poisoning people isn't going to past the Globe test.

Did that occur in Meaford?

Negative, mine was at a chemical plant.

 

[Halifax Tar]

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Its crazy the folk hero that guy has turned into

 

[brihard]

Its crazy the folk hero that guy has turned into

Yup. It’s weird to me to idolize someone who acted all entitled, didn’t get what he wanted, and pitched a huge tantrum.

 

[OldSolduer]

Yup. It’s weird to me to idolize someone who acted all entitled, didn’t get what he wanted, and pitched a huge tantrum.

We still have people in this world who idolize Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

 

[brihard]

We still have people in this world who idolize Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

And all of those people are, at best, idiots.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yup. It’s weird to me to idolize someone who acted all entitled, didn’t get what he wanted, and pitched a huge tantrum.

Like Pat King and Tamara Lich's following.

 

[OldSolduer]

And all of those people are, at best, idiots.

True but a collection of idiots eventually find each other and form a mass. Not good.

 

[Kilted]

While I think fire and lead in high concentrations also destroy ones lungs you have a point. Poisoning people isn't going to past the Globe test.


Negative, mine was at a chemical plant.

I thought the Meaford story was an urban legend till I met a few people who were there.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I thought the Meaford story was an urban legend till I met a few people who were there.

I'm not sure if the incident you're referring to is the same but back in 1998 or 1999 (pretty sure 98) there was an armored reservist in the shacks who mixed ammonia and bleach to clean the floors and ended up sending a few people to the hospital.

 

[mariomike]

I'm not sure if the incident you're referring to is the same but back in 1998 or 1999 (pretty sure 98) there was an armored reservist in the shacks who mixed ammonia and bleach to clean the floors and ended up sending a few people to the hospital.

That is ( or was? ) a common cleaning recipe in civilian homes , with sometimes accidentally fatal results.

Detergent Death was sometimes used by folks for non-cleaning purposes. Sometimes in their automobiles.

 

[PMedMoe]

I'm not sure if the incident you're referring to is the same but back in 1998 or 1999 (pretty sure 98) there was an armored reservist in the shacks who mixed ammonia and bleach to clean the floors and ended up sending a few people to the hospital.

Pretty sure I knew that guy. Brit guy named Leonard?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Pretty sure I knew that guy. Brit guy named Leonard?

Yup!

 

[daftandbarmy]

Hoo boy …

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[brihard]

Pretty sure I knew that guy. Brit guy named Leonard?

Yup!

Oh geez lol, I didn’t know Leonard gassed himself in the shacks. I want to say clearly he was OK, but then again I didn’t know him before the event, so…

 

[daftandbarmy]

A familiar theme, it seems... how often do cases get tossed out by Judges for these reasosn ...

B.C. murder suspect acquitted, confession tossed for 'degrading' police treatment​

A British Columbia man accused of murdering his common-law wife has been acquitted after a judge threw out a confession she says was tainted by the suspect’s “degrading and humiliating” treatment by police.

The judge found homicide investigators forced Frederick Charlie, an Indigenous man, to change clothes in front of officers who knew he wasn’t wearing underwear and placed him in a cell with an undercover officer who deliberately urinated on himself in front of Charlie.

Charlie’s subsequent statements to police about the April 2024 killing of Vanessa Terry near Agassiz, B.C., were ruled inadmissible by the judge earlier this month, and the ruling was released on Wednesday.

The B.C. Prosecution Service said Charlie was found not guilty on Monday in his judge-only trial after the Crown called no evidence.

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Palbinder Shergill ruled that Charlie’s treatment by officers of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team at the Chilliwack RCMP detachment in June 2024 unlawfully tainted his confession to interrogators.

Shergill ruled on July 7 that the confession was inadmissible after Charlie claimed his Charter rights had been violated.

B.C. murder suspect acquitted, confession tossed for 'degrading' police treatment

A British Columbia man accused of murdering his common-law wife has been acquitted after a judge threw out a confession she says was tainted by the suspect’s “degrading and humiliating” treatment by police.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Booter]

UC operations do not do things for no reason. There is policy on searching prisoners- especially to that level. And there are concerns in murder investigations that you can’t just take a pinky promise that they’ll change and give you their clothing.

This is another, on the face of it, troubling ruling from BC that pumps them out at a regular basis. Always with a common theme. We ll see what happens I guess