Police Folk Allegedly Behaving Badly

[Booter]

this is fascinatingly fast to anyone who knows about these processes. The article says it was from allegations in Mid June

 

[Halifax Tar]

He's offended, about all the piss taking I guess...

Toronto police chief offended at suggestion they lost Bridle Path home invasion suspect​

'We are very very clear. We are following the evidence as it becomes available,' said Chief Myron Demkiw on Monday

The Toronto Police Service kickoff to crime prevention week on Monday quickly took a turn into questions about an already committed crime — the home invasion last week in the city’s Bridle Path that wounded local CEO David Morton and his family, and resulted in police searching for a suspect, Daijohn Richards, who was himself briefly admitted to hospital.

Asked by a reporter to “clarify for the public how (Richards) was let go and is now missing,” Police Chief Myron Demkiw responded: “I actually take umbrage with the way you frame that question. That’s not what has been said by the police at all. We are very very clear. We are following the evidence as it becomes available. Had there been evidence to allow us to do something different, that’s what would have happened. We are following the evidence as expeditiously as we can, and the investigation continues to unfold.”

He would not give further details, he said, “to preserve the integrity of the investigation, as it is very very dynamic and active as we speak here today.”

Toronto police chief offended at suggestion they lost Bridle Path home invasion suspect

'We are very very clear. We are following the evidence as it becomes available,' said Chief Myron Demkiw on Monday

nationalpost.com

This case is horrifying and from what I can tell has barely made a ripple in the news.

 

[Haggis]

lt would have to be sufficiently particular. Someone showing up in a hospital with a wound on the other side of town sometime later almost certainly won't cut it without other compelling evidence. In Mann he matched a suspect description for a recent crime in the immediate vicinity. Even at that, I'm not sure they could justify detention of someone if the only evidence at hand was that that person was a victim (as a person with a gunshot wound usually will be).

The "victim" could also be the victim of careless use (CCC s 86(1)) as is the case with some hunting accidents resulting in self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

 

[brihard]

The "victim" could also be the victim of careless use (CCC s 86(1)) as is the case with some hunting accidents resulting in self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

Sure, but an officer placed in the circumstance of having to determine if grounds exist to arrest will have to work with the objective facts at hand. We can’t ’what if’ our way into an arrest that isn’t otherwise legally there.

 

[brihard]

this is fascinatingly fast to anyone who knows about these processes. The article says it was from allegations in Mid June

Wow you’re right. No time wasted ushering these folks out the door.

 

[Haggis]

Sure, but an officer placed in the circumstance of having to determine if grounds exist to arrest will have to work with the objective facts at hand. We can’t ’what if’ our way into an arrest that isn’t otherwise legally there.

Agreed. My internt was to illustrate that not all GSW are the results of a criminal assault. Some are an "own goal". It's hunting season, after all.,

 

[dapaterson]

Wow you’re right. No time wasted ushering these folks out the door.

Likely a different provincial regime in Quebec. Or a "damn the torpedoes" approach.

 

[Haggis]

Likely a different provincial regime in Quebec. Or a "damn the torpedoes" approach.

The SPVM and it's predecessors have had a tumultuous relationship with the citizens of Montréal. Anything they can do to repair that relationship is welcome.

 

[Gordon Dundas/]

Having observed at a distance for roughly thirty odd years with the input of people who either live there or have lived there.
I suspect I will be watching that process with interest. I also suspect that I'll also be wondering how they manage to screw that up.

 

[daftandbarmy]

And the hits keep on coming...

‘Shaking out of fear’: Off-duty RCMP officer’s intense exchange with B.C. teen caught on video​

A confrontation between an off-duty RCMP officer and a teenage boy carrying a replica firearm on Halloween is raising questions about police conduct, public safety and how adults should approach children in potentially dangerous situations.

A video recorded in downtown Nanaimo shows the officer repeatedly swearing at the teenager, demanding he destroy the imitation firearm and warning that responding police officers could shoot and kill him. The encounter has since sparked a wider debate about whether the officer’s underlying safety message justified the way it was delivered.

During the exchange the man asks the teenager, “You’re a Native kid, right?” before repeatedly warning him, “They’re going to kill you.”

The B.C. RCMP’s Island District confirms it is reviewing the confrontation.

“We are aware of the video involving an off-duty member and are reviewing the incident,” the RCMP said in a statement to CTV News.

“Efforts have also been made to connect with the youth and his family as we work to understand the totality of what occurred, including the events leading up to the video.”

Witness says teenager was visibly shaken​

Tayo Amodu, who recorded the encounter, says he was waiting at a bus stop when he heard someone shouting at the teenager.

Amodu says he initially did not know either the boy or the man involved. He began recording after noticing how aggressively the adult was addressing the youth.

“I think he did a very terrible job,” Amodu said of the officer’s conduct.

Amodu says the teenager remained relatively calm throughout the exchange, despite the officer’s increasingly heated language.

He also says the officer appeared to put his hands on the boy and continued berating him even after the teenager had been told to break the replica firearm.

After the man walked away, Amodu says he approached the teenager to check on him.

“He was actually shaking out of fear,” Amodu said.

Amodu says he wanted to get involved but worried that doing so could escalate the confrontation. Instead, he chose to document what was happening.

“I couldn’t intervene because I thought if I did, I know for a fact I would have fought him. And that would have been really bad for me because I’m an immigrant. I’m like, it’s going to be worse for me than it is going to be for him.”

He says he believes the officer had an opportunity to deliver an important safety message without frightening or intimidating a child.

‘Shaking out of fear’: Off-duty RCMP officer’s intense exchange with B.C. teen caught on video

A confrontation between an off-duty RCMP officer and a teenage boy carrying a replica firearm on Halloween is raising questions about police conduct, public safety and how adults should approach children in potentially dangerous situations.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

And the hits keep on coming...

‘Shaking out of fear’: Off-duty RCMP officer’s intense exchange with B.C. teen caught on video​

A confrontation between an off-duty RCMP officer and a teenage boy carrying a replica firearm on Halloween is raising questions about police conduct, public safety and how adults should approach children in potentially dangerous situations.

A video recorded in downtown Nanaimo shows the officer repeatedly swearing at the teenager, demanding he destroy the imitation firearm and warning that responding police officers could shoot and kill him. The encounter has since sparked a wider debate about whether the officer’s underlying safety message justified the way it was delivered.

During the exchange the man asks the teenager, “You’re a Native kid, right?” before repeatedly warning him, “They’re going to kill you.”

The B.C. RCMP’s Island District confirms it is reviewing the confrontation.

“We are aware of the video involving an off-duty member and are reviewing the incident,” the RCMP said in a statement to CTV News.

“Efforts have also been made to connect with the youth and his family as we work to understand the totality of what occurred, including the events leading up to the video.”

Witness says teenager was visibly shaken​

Tayo Amodu, who recorded the encounter, says he was waiting at a bus stop when he heard someone shouting at the teenager.

Amodu says he initially did not know either the boy or the man involved. He began recording after noticing how aggressively the adult was addressing the youth.

“I think he did a very terrible job,” Amodu said of the officer’s conduct.

Amodu says the teenager remained relatively calm throughout the exchange, despite the officer’s increasingly heated language.

He also says the officer appeared to put his hands on the boy and continued berating him even after the teenager had been told to break the replica firearm.

After the man walked away, Amodu says he approached the teenager to check on him.

“He was actually shaking out of fear,” Amodu said.

Amodu says he wanted to get involved but worried that doing so could escalate the confrontation. Instead, he chose to document what was happening.

“I couldn’t intervene because I thought if I did, I know for a fact I would have fought him. And that would have been really bad for me because I’m an immigrant. I’m like, it’s going to be worse for me than it is going to be for him.”

He says he believes the officer had an opportunity to deliver an important safety message without frightening or intimidating a child.

‘Shaking out of fear’: Off-duty RCMP officer’s intense exchange with B.C. teen caught on video

A confrontation between an off-duty RCMP officer and a teenage boy carrying a replica firearm on Halloween is raising questions about police conduct, public safety and how adults should approach children in potentially dangerous situations.

www.ctvnews.ca

Idiot.

 

[dapaterson]

Likely a different provincial regime in Quebec. Or a "damn the torpedoes" approach.

Reading in a bit, it appears to be a bit of both.

SPVM has stripped the seven officers of their security clearances; lacking clearances, their employment was terminated.

7 Montreal police officers dismissed over alleged 'discriminatory and racist' acts

Five officers were assigned to Station 39 in Montreal North and two to Station 21 downtown, police say.

montrealgazette.com

The union is challenging that action.

Montreal police union vows to defend officers fired in misconduct scandal

Five of the officers worked at Station 39 in Montreal North, and two at Station 21 downtown.

montrealgazette.com

 

[brihard]

Reading in a bit, it appears to be a bit of both.

SPVM has stripped the seven officers of their security clearances; lacking clearances, their employment was terminated.

7 Montreal police officers dismissed over alleged 'discriminatory and racist' acts

Five officers were assigned to Station 39 in Montreal North and two to Station 21 downtown, police say.

montrealgazette.com

The union is challenging that action.

Montreal police union vows to defend officers fired in misconduct scandal

Five of the officers worked at Station 39 in Montreal North, and two at Station 21 downtown.

montrealgazette.com

That’s a good way to go about it as long as stripping the security clearance can withstand scrutiny and challenge. It’s a loss of basic job requirement, which allows for termination on administrative grounds rather than through a disciplinary process.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Idiot.

A First Nations kid and an Immigrant terrified of undercover RCMP in civvies.

If we threw a Gay person and a Commie into the mix that would make an awesome '50s Flashback' Halloween costume theme.

 

[dapaterson]

That’s a good way to go about it as long as stripping the security clearance can withstand scrutiny and challenge. It’s a loss of basic job requirement, which allows for termination on administrative grounds rather than through a disciplinary process.

Hopefully it was done hand in hand with strong legal review, and not "Hey! Lawyers! Look what we just did!"

 

[lenaitch]

lt would have to be sufficiently particular. Someone showing up in a hospital with a wound on the other side of town sometime later almost certainly won't cut it without other compelling evidence. In Mann he matched a suspect description for a recent crime in the immediate vicinity. Even at that, I'm not sure they could justify detention of someone if the only evidence at hand was that that person was a victim (as a person with a gunshot wound usually will be).

Social media seems to be following two main themes; that police can arrest on suspicion of a crime for 24 hours, and they should have held him under the authority of 'investigative detention'. Also, anyone showing up with a GSW should be compelled to account for their injury.

Lots of armchair lawyers on this one.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Social media seems to be following two main themes; that police can arrest on suspicion of a crime for 24 hours, and they should have held him under the authority of 'investigative detention'. Also, anyone showing up with a GSW should be compelled to account for their injury.

Lots of armchair lawyers on this one.

I was thinking the investigate detention thing, at least until police had a chance to ask him a few questions about being shot.

And the hits keep on coming...

‘Shaking out of fear’: Off-duty RCMP officer’s intense exchange with B.C. teen caught on video​

I didnt see the exchange video. I did see the pistol and it looks very real. The father seems to be on social media a lot complaining before this incident. Hopefully sending his kid out with a real looking pistol wasn't his idea.