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That's right. The point being to counter the theme that US is throwing UKR under the bus.
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That's right. The point being to counter the theme that US is throwing UKR under the bus.
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Call it what it is. Neo-colonialism or exploitation.
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I think the answer is "yes"
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The point that is sailing 10,000' ahl is that Biden enabled this Ukr invasion and Trump is ending it.
ahl: above head level
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Actually Poland should link up with Ukrainians in Kursk - and hold a referendum...
The issue is the world could actually understand if folks in Kursk and Belarus actually voted to be Polish as opposed to Russian or Belarusian.
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The point that is Sailing over your head is Trumpeter seems to be giving Russia everything it wants.
You seem to have missed that Russia's economy is in the shitter, and their Military is pretty much out - and they are hanging on with equipment, and mentions from Iran and NK, as well as Troops from NK.
The only person who wants to the freeze the conflict where it is at is PUTIN.
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Some details need greater transparency, but overall, the points in that piece have merit for consideration as to whether or not it’s a decent deal all round.Opinion piece on the Trump deal for Ukraine. Bunch of snips below, more on the article:
-The deal gives the U.S. access to much-needed rare earth minerals and helps us recoup some of our investment in the Ukraine war. A win the the US.
-It helps rebuild Ukraine’s economy and infrastructure. It puts thousands of American engineers, miners, builders and even bankers on the ground in eastern Ukraine, serving as a security guarantee to Ukraine. A win for Ukraine.
-It gives the U.S. an opening to a better relationship with Russia with an aim to driving a wedge in the anti-American Sino-Russian alliance. A win for the U.S. and our allies.
-It gives Russia an off-ramp to a difficult war and holds open the possibility of improved relations with the U.S., including in trade and investment. A win for Russia
An American economic presence will serve as a guarantor of Ukrainian independence and security, and a deterrent to another Russian invasion. Putin is not going to kill thousands of American civilians to get to Kyiv.
In some ways, an American economic presence in Ukraine is even more significant than a military presence. As we saw with Biden and Afghanistan, an American president can order the sudden withdrawal of military forces (as he states he's ok with a minor incursion - QV). Private American companies with long-term projects and contracts would be in Ukraine for the long haul.
Under the Trump plan, five years after the fighting stops, Ukraine could be a prosperous country, with an economy and society fully integrated with the U.S. and the West. On the other hand, Russia’s post-war prospects are bleak. No one will rush to rebuild Russia’s economy. Its energy export revenues will fall precipitously, with the lower oil and natural gas global prices brought about by Trump’s new policy of American energy dominance.
Finally, Trump’s peace plan holds open the possibility of an improved American relationship with Russia. We have had no diplomatic contact with Russia in the three years since Putin invaded Ukraine.
The greatest strategic and existential threat to the United States isn’t from Ukraine, or the Middle East, or even Russia. It is from a Sino-Russian alliance aimed at the United States. Our refusal to talk to Russia for the last three years is one reason Putin has grown closer to Chinese President Xi. In the early 1970s, my boss, Henry Kissinger, drove a wedge between the anti-American Sino-Soviet alliance by opening relations with China. Potentially, Trump could do the same thing today, this time by reopening relations with Russia.
Trump’s Art of the Deal turns around an unwinnable war against Ukraine
Trump is known for the Art of the Deal and he showed that with his Ukraine war peace negotiations. He is taking an unwinnable conflict and helping everyone win the peace.www.foxnews.com
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I think there is a greater strategic consideration being ignored by the hard naysayers here. And that is countering China. At this point none of us on this forum know the negotiations or details that will emerge in this "deal".
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Agree. I think we (the anonymous internet commentators) ought take a more wait and see approach instead of jumping to peak negativity on everything happening right now.
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Hegseth knows you can't trust anything you see on Fox.
maybe Hegseth should take a breathalyzer before speaking.
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Yeah, well he is ending the war. You win some you lose some. What do you make of the fact Russia made all it's moves while either Obama or Biden were in office, and did nothing in UKR during 45's term?
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by rolling over for russia. And the war only ends if Ukraine agrees to end the war. He can't force them to stop fighting.
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I think this statement is whiney whataboutism designed to make trump look like he's standing up to putin when in reality he conceded on russias two big demands before the talks had even started.
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He will do his utmost best to cripple Ukraine to stop fighting though.
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