Political impacts of Ukraine war

[Brad Sallows]

The west as a collective has not done enough to help Ukraine, however it's the current US administration that has said that russia can keep the land it is occupying.

There isn't such a thing as "enough". Sometimes countries don't get a damn thing.

 

[KevinB]

The US president is the most pliable leader in the west. All someone has to do is frame the issue to look like he'll be a hero if he doesn't oppose it. The worry, as noted by others, is Hungary. Maybe also Turkey. But everyone has a price.

Turkey has thrown in with Ukraine. They are building them a lot of kill Russian stuff and have been fairly vocal of the last year about it.
Once Turkey saw that what a giant turd the S-400 was and what NATO system could do to it, they gave up trying to straddle the fence.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Once Turkey saw that what a giant turd the S-400 was and what NATO system could do to it, they gave up trying to straddle the fence.

"You sold me queer giraffes."

 

[CBH99]

The US president is the most pliable leader in the west. All someone has to do is frame the issue to look like he'll be a hero if he doesn't oppose it. The worry, as noted by others, is Hungary. Maybe also Turkey. But everyone has a price.

How is Hungary or Turkey 'make it or break it' players in the Russia vs Ukraibe war?

 

[McG]

Canada has stated its position that Ukraine must be involved in the process to make decisions on Ukraine’s future.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1955705710383096055

This is the statement Canada needed to make.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Canada has stated its position that Ukraine must be involved in the process to make decisions on Ukraine’s future.
This is the statement Canada needed to make.

Gee, great. Unfortunately, borders CAN be changed by force if no-one helps insufficiently strong defenders enough. It's all just twaddle until he gets Canada into a coalition - which might not include the US - willing to spend the money and make the sacrifices to apply meaningful military and economic pressure. It reminds me of the statements governments provide to news agencies on the embarrassing stories of the day - "The government of X is committed to <insert high-minded ideals bereft of evidence of useful action here>".

Canada is neck deep in debt and deficits. Other than being a fiscal moderate, maybe even conservative, on general management of money, Carney is pretty much a conventional contemporary Canadian Liberal on social programs, climate change, etc; and deficit spending to pay for all of the aforementioned. His party blew away what little pre-2015 fiscal freedom of manoeuvre we had, and he's in support of most of the causes of that. Is he planning anything on a time scale less than the one used to measure elections, I wonder.

The tut-tutting international community is moving more slowly on meaningful support of Ukraine than they are on routing around Trump's international trade damage. Just a stream of Serious Statements.

 

[KevinB]

How is Hungary or Turkey 'make it or break it' players in the Russia vs Ukraibe war?

For NATO admission all parties need to agree on new membership.

 

[HavokFour]

More signs Alaska is just going to be the self-gratification of 2 massive egos and accomplish absolutely nothing else. It'll be fun to see if Trump takes this bait and try to spin it, after wanting everyone (NATO) to spend more on defense.

Russia wants to link cut in NATO troops to talks about Ukraine, says Poland

Russia wants to include the topic of a reduction of NATO troops presence in any conversations about the future of Ukraine, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told reporters on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

More signs Alaska is just going to be the self-gratification of 2 massive egos and accomplish absolutely nothing else. I'll be fun to see if Trump takes this bait and try to spin it, after wanting everyone (NATO) to spend more on defense.

Russia wants to link cut in NATO troops to talks about Ukraine, says Poland

Russia wants to include the topic of a reduction of NATO troops presence in any conversations about the future of Ukraine, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told reporters on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

I will consider this conference a magnificent success if the United States still has a fiftieth state and that state is Alaska.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Gee, great. Unfortunately, borders CAN be changed by force if no-one helps insufficiently strong defenders enough. It's all just twaddle until he gets Canada into a coalition - which might not include the US - willing to spend the money and make the sacrifices to apply meaningful military and economic pressure. It reminds me of the statements governments provide to news agencies on the embarrassing stories of the day - "The government of X is committed to <insert high-minded ideals bereft of evidence of useful action here>".

Canada is neck deep in debt and deficits. Other than being a fiscal moderate, maybe even conservative, on general management of money, Carney is pretty much a conventional contemporary Canadian Liberal on social programs, climate change, etc; and deficit spending to pay for all of the aforementioned. His party blew away what little pre-2015 fiscal freedom of manoeuvre we had, and he's in support of most of the causes of that. Is he planning anything on a time scale less than the one used to measure elections, I wonder.

The tut-tutting international community is moving more slowly on meaningful support of Ukraine than they are on routing around Trump's international trade damage. Just a stream of Serious Statements.

Not sure how the phases, ‘maybe even a fiscal conservative’ and ‘Canadian liberal on…deficit spending’ can be squared.

 

[HavokFour]

I will consider this conference a magnificent success if the United States still has a fiftieth state and that state is Alaska.

So you've heard the murmurs that Trump might be offering Russia a real foothold in Alaska to probably launch further shenanigans all over the rest of the North American continent.

The proposal package reportedly involves granting Russia access to Alaska's natural resources and lifting certain U.S. sanctions on Russia's aviation sector, which has struggled under the weight of international sanctions.

Trump may offer Putin minerals access in exchange for peace, Telegraph reports

U.S. President Donald Trump is preparing to offer Russian President Vladimir Putin access to rare earth minerals in Ukraine and natural resources in Alaska in an effort to secure a ceasefire, The Telegraph reported on Aug. 13.

kyivindependent.com

 

[PrairieFella]

Not sure how the phases, ‘maybe even a fiscal conservative’ and ‘Canadian liberal on…deficit spending’ can be squared.

Also, remember not to look behind the curtain and see what archconservatives have done to American finances in the past several months.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not sure how the phases, ‘maybe even a fiscal conservative’ and ‘Canadian liberal on…deficit spending’ can be squared.

General management of what is in hand, without necessarily acquiring it responsibly.