Political impacts of Ukraine war

[KevinB]

Explain to me why Italy is sitting at the table during this latest WH meeting?

Italy has really given sweet p*ss all to Ukraine over the course of the war.

Italy is there simply because it gives Trump softer, prettier, toned down version of Hungary sitting at the table.

Poland should be sitting at that table, that's who's really missing from this. Once again Poland, its interests and its efforts are being ignored by the West.

Italy's Meloni is viewed like Finland's Stubb, as a Trump whisperer - and can they can generally deflate his rather bizarre actions and reactions.

But even she gets nauseated at times.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957527279392706977

 

[The Bread Guy]

Italy has really given sweet p*ss all to Ukraine over the course of the war.

#5 according to US News & World Reports …

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/these-countries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

Italy is there simply because it gives Trump softer, prettier, toned down version of Hungary sitting at the table.

I’d say there’s some merit to having someone who even critics say is far from woke at the table to balance things out, given Hungary’s other axes to grind with UKR keeping them away from the table.

Poland should be sitting at that table that's who's really missing from this.

THAT would have sent quite the message for sure.

Once again Poland, its interests and its efforts are being ignored by the West.

I’m not that pessimistic yet - not to mention I suspect Poland would be MORE than happy take USSR 2.0 behind the woodshed if needed.

 

[KevinB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957519592202596421

Macron and Merz being the loudest voices about an Article 5 type security guarantee, and the EU Commissioner pushing the fact that the abducted Ukrainian children needing to be returned.

What is interesting is that today before the meeting Germany's MoD also admitted to helping Ukraine with its long range "Flamingo" ground launched cruise missile. 3000km range, and a 1,350kg payload. Which puts Moscow, St Peterburg, and most of populated Russia under threat.

Also rumors abound about the EU and NATO leveraging POTUS on the state of our finances and how much US Debt that Europe owns.

Interesting comment from POTUS that US Military personnel may need to be positioned in Ukraine to ensure a Peacekeeping force - which was absolutely not on Putin's accepted list.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Credit where due, for sure, but I suspect FLOTUS47 is generally smarter than a LOT of the White House put together. They better hope she continues to stay onside.

She has played Trump for years, her interests are her son, then herself and she knows perfectly how to play the game. Likely has a huge amount of dirt on him, but as long as he gives her access to money and power, she is very willing to play the game to perfection. She understands her role very well. He needs her onside.

 

[RangerRay]

Explain to me why Italy is sitting at the table during this latest WH meeting?

Italy has really given sweet p*ss all to Ukraine over the course of the war.

Italy is there simply because it gives Trump softer, prettier, toned down version of Hungary sitting at the table.

Poland should be sitting at that table, that's who's really missing from this. Once again Poland, its interests and its efforts are being ignored by the West.

Meloni has actually been very strong on Ukraine, considering the alignment of her party. I dare say she’s been better than our own Trudeau, but that is a low bar…

 

[HavokFour]

Well there hasn't been a big blow up yet as of posting, it seems bringing a chunk of Europe with him this time has helped a good bit.

Zelenskyy did however set a man on fire.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Zelenskyy did however set a man on fire.

 

[The Bread Guy]

What is interesting is that today before the meeting Germany's MoD also admitted to helping Ukraine with its long range "Flamingo" ground launched cruise missile. 3000km range, and a 1,350kg payload. Which puts Moscow, St Peterburg, and most of populated Russia under threat.

Niiiice - good on DEU!

Interesting comment from POTUS that US Military personnel may need to be positioned in Ukraine to ensure a Peacekeeping force - which was absolutely not on Putin's accepted list.

Now if THAT happens, it would move my “POTUS47 Is A Russian Stooge” dial down a fair bit. Now, all he has to do is convince the more isolationist bits of his party that this would be a good idea. Thanks for that tidbit!

 

[HavokFour]

Trump took a 40 minute phone call with Putin, mid-discussion with Zelenskyy and the other leaders. A hot mic caught a bit of something he was talking to Macron about.

"I think he wants to make a deal. I think he wants to make a deal for me. You understand that? As crazy as that sounds," Trump tells Macron, appearing to refer to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Sounds like Trump is still eagerly gobbling up bait Putin keeps laying out to delay things.

After the multilateral they moved into the Oval for further discussion, leaders only. No derailing opportunities for Vance.

Trump calls Putin after talks with Zelensky and Europeans - follow live

The Ukrainian president says Monday's talks have been "constructive" as European leaders repeat calls for a ceasefire.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Meloni has actually been very strong on Ukraine, considering the alignment of her party. I dare say she’s been better than our own Trudeau, but that is a low bar…

There are a lot of low bars in the West these days....

 

[RangerRay]

BoJo’s not impressed.

BORIS JOHNSON: This vomit-inducing episode will teach Trump a lesson

It made the gorge rise to see Putin welcomed on to American soil. It was emetic to see him applauded on to the red carpet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://archive.ph/Kpylb

It made the gorge rise to see Putin welcomed on to American soil.

It was emetic to see him applauded on the red carpet.

It was nauseating to watch his Gollum-like smirk as he became one of the only world leaders I can think of to be invited to ride in the back of the presidential limo.

It was positively chunderous to hear him given an American platform for his lies about the causes of the war in Ukraine – a country that in 2014, when he first attacked it, posed no threat whatever to Russia.

As I listened to the unctuous and wearisome predictability with which he tried both to flatter and discreetly humiliate Donald Trump, I wanted to gag. I bet you did, too – and most of us are not even Ukrainian.

Imagine how it felt to be one of those embattled heroes in a dug-out near Pokrovsk, fighting for your country’s freedom, and to hear the President of the United States – the ex officio team captain of the Free World – refer to Vladimir Putin as ‘the boss’.

Retch.

Think of the tens of thousands of Ukrainian widows and orphans. Think of the maimed and mutilated; think of the Ukrainian civilians living in daily and nightly terror of Putin’s bombs and missiles – still raining down, even though the so-called negotiations were taking place in Alaska.

 

[Genetk44]

Some people believe she should have worn pants if she did not want to be raped.
Some people apply the same thinking to nations.
It is abhorrent thinking either way.

Well there hasn't been a big blow up yet as of posting, it seems bringing a chunk of Europe with him this time has helped a good bit.

Zelenskyy did however set a man on fire.

Trump took a 40 minute phone call with Putin, mid-discussion with Zelenskyy and the other leaders. A hot mic caught a bit of something he was talking to Macron about.



Sounds like Trump is still eagerly gobbling up bait Putin keeps laying out to delay things.

After the multilateral they moved into the Oval for further discussion, leaders only. No derailing opportunities for Vance.

Trump calls Putin after talks with Zelensky and Europeans - follow live

The Ukrainian president says Monday's talks have been "constructive" as European leaders repeat calls for a ceasefire.

www.bbc.co.uk

The frightening thing to me is that Trump, with his total lack of knowledge about European history, lack of knowledge about military or diplomatic history and his ego-driven type of negotiating tactic could end up placing the US and the West into a position now( such as US and/or other western troops in Ukraine to guarantee its security as part of a peace deal) that could cause a real problems, due to careless brinkmanship, 4,5,6 years down the road. The man is a loose-cannon with zero ethics or morals.