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Political impacts of Ukraine war

Hmmm... I wonder how many of these ships are roaming around in the West..


German Forces Seize Cargo Ship Suspected of Launching Russian Spy Drone​



German authorities have detained the cargo vessel “Scanlark” on suspicion of espionage and possible sabotage after an operation in the Kiel Canal, according to Spiegel on September 8.

Special police units boarded the 75-meter vessel on September 7, carrying out a search that lasted into the following day. The operation was part of an ongoing investigation into suspected intelligence activities threatening Germany’s critical maritime infrastructure, Spiegel reported.

According to Kieler Nachrichten, security measures included shutting down public webcams along the canal and restricting access to the vessel from the shore. Divers were also deployed to examine the ship’s hull.

Prosecutors in Flensburg and the criminal police of Schleswig-Holstein stated there are grounds to believe that on August 26, a drone was launched from the Scanlark. Investigators suspect it flew over a German Navy vessel to collect reconnaissance imagery.

 
Poland has invoked Article 4.

I am wondering if this will be justification to open up the conversation again about enacting a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine (and freeing up a bunch of Ukrainian assets to concentrate eastward).

19 drones violating their airspace is unacceptable, intentional or not. Those are flying bombs.
 
I have a feeling this is going to be extended, several times.

Latvia's airspace will be closed to a depth of 50-kilometres along its eastern borders with Russia and Belarus from 18:00 on September 11th until at least September 18th, with the possibility of an extension after that, Defence Minister Andris Sprūds (Progressives) announced at a press conference on Thursday.

 
Poland has invoked Article 4.

I am wondering if this will be justification to open up the conversation again about enacting a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine (and freeing up a bunch of Ukrainian assets to concentrate eastward).

19 drones violating their airspace is unacceptable, intentional or not. Those are flying bombs.

I would be happier if they were flying bombs. If they were the same mix of armed UAVs and decoys as were seen in Ukraine then I could convince myself that the incursion was accidental, a failure of technology.

The fact that none of the drones were armed (AFAIK) bends me to believing it was a planned effort to test and provoke.
 
I have a feeling this is going to be extended, several times.



Assuming that this is in conjunction with the joint Rus-Belarus military field exercises that just kicked off.
 
I would be happier if they were flying bombs. If they were the same mix of armed UAVs and decoys as were seen in Ukraine then I could convince myself that the incursion was accidental, a failure of technology.

The fact that none of the drones were armed (AFAIK) bends me to believing it was a planned effort to test and provoke.
Maybe its time a dozen or so high altitude weather balloons are sent wandering around Russia for a week or so.
 
Maybe its time a dozen or so high altitude weather balloons are sent wandering around Russia for a week or so.

I also like a proposal from Tom Harris of the Telegraph.

Use the moment to push a SEAD effort into Ukraine and eliminate Russian air defence systems in occuppied territory and in the border bastions like Rostov, Kursk and Belgorod. Use the long range missiles and put them in the hands of Ukraine.
 
Can you say “TACO”?

 
Poland has invoked Article 4.

I am wondering if this will be justification to open up the conversation again about enacting a no-fly zone over Western Ukraine (and freeing up a bunch of Ukrainian assets to concentrate eastward).

19 drones violating their airspace is unacceptable, intentional or not. Those are flying bombs.

One voice so far.

 
Maybe, but wire services believe it enough to print it …

In September 1943 Italy deposed Mussolini and joined the Allies on October 13, 1943. Rome didn't fall until June 4, 1944.

Is it impossible to conceive of a situation where Lukashenko changes sides?
 
In September 1943 Italy deposed Mussolini and joined the Allies on October 13, 1943. Rome didn't fall until June 4, 1944.

Is it impossible to conceive of a situation where Lukashenko changes sides?
Never say never, and when I was keeping closer track of BLR stuff, I noticed he'd always walk a bit of a tightrope of chumming up to RUS while not being umbilically tied to it. Overall, I'd bet against him flipping westward, but who the hell knows these days?

I'd go with @daftandbarmy's and @MrWhyt's takes about it being safer for this guy to avoid upper-floor windows, tea from Russians, door knobs or men with umbrellas for at least a bit. I'm sure that's what his insurer would advise :)
 
In September 1943 Italy deposed Mussolini and joined the Allies on October 13, 1943. Rome didn't fall until June 4, 1944.

Is it impossible to conceive of a situation where Lukashenko changes sides?
With an unknown number of Russian troops located inside the country? That would get hot and nasty right quick.
 
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