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Here is one for the discussion.  There are 5441 Captains or naval Lieutenants in the Canadian Forces.  They make, at a minimum, $74,424 gross per annum.  Do they constitute "the middle class"?  If not, are we saying that the commissioned ranks of the CAF are the upper class crust of Canada's economic make-up?

How about one of the 1214 Lieutenant Colonels or Commanders?  Their base pay is $116,628 gross per annum.  Can about 5 years of good service suddenly propel a commissioned officer from "middle class" to "upper class" and thus not worthy of Mr. Trudeau's efforts?  Considering that the top "1%" (remember those guys?) in Canada earned $191,000 a year, then the good Lieutenant Colonel wouldn't rate a campus protest....

Seeing how both the Captain and Lieutenant Colonel could retire at their current rank and not be working for their salary, neither are part of Trudeau's defined "middle class"?
 
Infanteer said:
Here is one for the discussion.  There are 5441 Captains or naval Lieutenants in the Canadian Forces.  They make, at a minimum, $74,424 gross per annum.  Do they constitute "the middle class"?  If not, are we saying that the commissioned ranks of the CAF are the upper class crust of Canada's economic make-up?

How about one of the 1214 Lieutenant Colonels or Commanders?  Their base pay is $116,628 gross per annum.  Can about 5 years of good service suddenly propel a commissioned officer from "middle class" to "upper class" and thus not worthy of Mr. Trudeau's efforts?  Considering that the top "1%" (remember those guys?) in Canada earned $191,000 a year, then the good Lieutenant Colonel wouldn't rate a campus protest....

Seeing how both the Captain and Lieutenant Colonel could retire at their current rank and not be working for their salary, neither are part of Trudeau's defined "middle class"?

I was thinking the same thing in terms of military pay.  Would Mr. Trudeau make a differentiation between a Captain 9 vs a Captain 2? What if the Captain 9 is in Cold Lake and the Capt 2 is in Gagetown?

I would be interested to see what Mr. Trudeau, and for that matter Mr Harper and Mr Mulclair's "real" views on the middle class and its plight are away from the camera.

 
Median income in Canada: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil108a-eng.htm

Our "minimum" Captain, before any IPCs or allowances, and before any spousal income, is above the median family income in all provinces except Saskatchewan and Alberta.



 
>a) “…work for their income, not people who live off their assets and their saving.” (Monday)

That's not a bad stab at it, but the working class also works for their incomes and lives paycheque-to-paycheque. 

I prefer the definition (Aristotle's, I think) Jerry Pournelle occasionally re-emphasizes, which goes roughly: those who can afford the goods of fortune in moderation.

The upper class can splurge, the middle class can not.  The working class has access to some goods that have become commonplace (eg. TV, mobile phone, internet access), but not with casual indifference to budget constraints.

The notion that the middle class is suffering is still a curious one, though.

Examples (very roughly representative, but far from authoritative - open to corrections):

Middle class home in 1940: 1200-1600 sq ft, 2-3 bdrm, 1 bath (maybe - outhouses were still the rule in much of the country), unfinished basement.  Radio, no TV.

Middle class home in 1955: 1400-1800 sq ft, 2-3 bdrm, 1 bath, unfinished basement.  B/W TV (maybe).

Middle class home in 1970: 1600-2000 sq ft, 3 bdrm, 2 to 2-1/2 bath, partially finished basement (probably including one of the bathrooms).  Colour TV.

Middle class home in 1990: 2000+ sq ft, kitchen and dining room eating spaces, 3 bdrm, 2 to 2-1/2 bath, finished.  Colour TV and VHS.

Middle class home in 2010: 2500+ sq ft, 3+ bdrm, 3 to 4-1/2 bath, finished.  Big screen colour TV, DVD/HD, internet.

(I do wonder when a home up in MLS advertises more bathrooms than bedrooms.)
 
Just for reference ... this graph is from Statistics Canada; it shows after tax income based on data from the 2006 census, the 2010 National Household Survey and the T1Family File.

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Source: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/ref/guides/99-014-x/c-g/c-g02-eng.cfm

As you can see it is a somewhat distorted bell curve. A couple of distortions are:

    1. It doesn't reflect, accurately, those, at the bottom, who do not report any income at all; and

    2. There is a bump at the $124,999 level - all those commanders/lieutenant colonels?

But, divide it into eight standard deviations and you get something like:

                Lowest (0.1%) = no income
          Lower (2.1%) = far less than $10K
    Low (13.6%) below about $15K (i.e. about $1,000 per month disposable income after federal and provincial income taxes)
Lower Middle (34.1%) from about $15K to $65K
Upper Middle (34.1%) from about $65K to $150K
    High (13.6%)  $150K to $200K
          Higher (2.1%)  $200K to $500K  (Another distortion is in the higher income levels, it is, I think, likely a combination of too few 'rich' people and good tax planning)
                Highest (0.1%)  above $500K
 
While this article is about the United States, I would suggest that there are enough similarities between our two nations that roughly similar inferences can be drawn to the situation here as well. An interesting factoid might be to look at the numbers of people who earn more than $100,000/year in government jobs at all levels. There should be a "sunshine list". Quasi government positions (Hospital administrators, University administration, etc., where the bulk of the funding comes from the taxpayer) also scores pretty high, although it is often more difficult to determine the salaries since they may or may not be in the pubic record:

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/investment_manager.html

An Investment Manager's View on the Top 1%

This article was written by an investment manager who works with very wealthy clients. I knew him from decades ago, but in 2011 he e-mailed me with some concerns he had about what was happening with the economy. What he had to say was informative enough that I asked if he might fashion what he had told me into a document for the Who Rules America Web site. He agreed to do so, but only on the condition that the document be anonymous, because he does not want to jeopardize his relationships with his clients or other investment professionals. Make no assumptions about the investment manager with respect to race, ethnicity, political perspective, or views on government economic policy; he may or may not fit readers' preconceptions concerning some of these categories.

NOTE: The investment manager has also written an update for 2014.

— G. William Domhoff

Books & articles by Bill Domhoff about wealth & power

• Wealth, Income, & Power: Details about wealth and income in the United States, and how we use their distributions as power indicators.

• The Class-Domination Theory of Power: An explanation of why the wealth and income distributions are so unequal in the U.S., and how the political system works.

• Class and Power in the New Deal (2011): How corporate leaders shaped key aspects of FDR's New Deal.

• The New CEOs (paperback, 2014): Looks at the few corporate chief executives of the past 15-20 years who are not white males.

I sit in an interesting chair in the financial services industry. Our clients largely fall into the top 1%, have a net worth of $5,000,000 or above, and — if working — make over $300,000 per year. My observations on the sources of their wealth and concerns come from my professional and social activities within this group.

Work by various economists and tax experts make it indisputable that the top 1% controls a widely disproportionate share of the income and wealth in the United States. When does one enter that top 1%? (I'll use "k" for 1,000 and "M" for 1,000,000 as we usually do when communicating with clients or discussing money; thousands and millions take too much time to say.) Available data isn't exact, but a family enters the top 1% or so today with somewhere around $300k to $400k in pre-tax annual income and over $1.2M in net worth. Compared to the average American family with a pre-tax income in the mid-$50k range and net worth around $120k, this probably seems like a lot of money. But, there are big differences even within that top 1%, with the wealth distribution highly skewed towards the top 0.1%.

The Lower Half of the Top 1%

The 99th to 99.5th percentiles largely include physicians, attorneys, upper middle management, and small business people who have done well. Everyone's tax situation is, of course, a little different, but on earned income in this group, we can figure that somewhere around 25% to 30% of total pre-tax income will go to Federal, State, and Social Security taxes — leaving them with around $250k to $300k post-tax. This group makes extensive use of 401(k)s, SEP-IRAs, Defined Benefit Plans, and other retirement vehicles, which defer taxes until distribution during retirement. Typical would be yearly contributions in the $50k to $100k range, leaving our elite working group with yearly cash flows of $175k to $250k after taxes, or about $15k to $20k per month.

Until recently, most studies just broke out the top 1% as a group. Data on net worth distributions within the top 1% indicate that one enters the top 0.5% with about $1.8M, the top 0.25% with $3.1M, the top 0.10% with $5.5M and the top 0.01% with $24.4M. Wealth distribution is highly skewed towards the top 0.01%, increasing the overall average for this group. The net worth for those in the lower half of the top 1% is usually achieved after decades of education, hard work, saving and investing as a professional or small business person. While an after-tax income of $175k to $250k and net worth in the $1.2M to $1.8M range may seem like a lot of money to most Americans, it doesn't really buy freedom from financial worry or access to the true corridors of power and money. That doesn't become frequent until we reach the top 0.1%.

I've had many discussions in the last few years with clients with "only" $5M or under in assets, those in the 99th to 99.9th percentiles, as to whether they have enough money to retire or stay retired. That may sound strange to the 99% not in this group, but generally accepted "safe" retirement distribution rates for a 30 year period are in the 3-5% range, with 4% as the current industry standard. Assuming that the lower end of the top 1% has, say, $1.2M in investment assets, their retirement income will be about $50k per year plus maybe $30k-$40k from Social Security, so let's say $90k per year pre-tax and $75-$80k post-tax if they wish to plan for 30 years of withdrawals. For those with $1.8M in retirement assets, that rises to around $120-150k pretax per year and around $100k after tax. If someone retires with $5M today, roughly the beginning rung for entry into the top 0.1%, they can reasonably expect an income of $240k pretax and around $190k post tax, including Social Security.

While income and lifestyle are all relative, an after-tax income between $6.6k and $8.3k per month today will hardly buy the fantasy lifestyles that Americans see on TV and would consider "rich". In many areas in California or the East Coast, this positions one squarely in the hard working upper-middle class, and strict budgeting will be essential. An income of $190k post tax or $15.8k per month will certainly buy a nice lifestyle but is far from rich. And, for those folks who made enough to accumulate this much wealth during their working years, the reduction in income and lifestyle during retirement can be stressful. Plus, watching retirement accounts deplete over time isn't fun, not to mention the ever-fluctuating value of these accounts and the desire of many to leave a substantial inheritance. Our poor lower half of the top 1% lives well but has some financial worries.

Since the majority of those in this group actually earned their money from professions and smaller businesses, they generally don't participate in the benefits big money enjoys. Those in the 99th to 99.5th percentile lack access to power. For example, most physicians today are having their incomes reduced by HMO's, PPO's and cost controls from Medicare and insurance companies; the legal profession is suffering from excess capacity, declining demand and global outsourcing; successful small businesses struggle with increasing regulation and taxation. I speak daily with these relative winners in the economic hierarchy and many express frustration.

Unlike those in the lower half of the top 1%, those in the top half and, particularly, top 0.1%, can often borrow for almost nothing, keep profits and production overseas, hold personal assets in tax havens, ride out down markets and economies, and influence legislation in the U.S. They have access to the very best in accounting firms, tax and other attorneys, numerous consultants, private wealth managers, a network of other wealthy and powerful friends, lucrative business opportunities, and many other benefits. Most of those in the bottom half of the top 1% lack power and global flexibility and are essentially well-compensated workhorses for the top 0.5%, just like the bottom 99%. In my view, the American dream of striking it rich is merely a well-marketed fantasy that keeps the bottom 99.5% hoping for better and prevents social and political instability. The odds of getting into that top 0.5% are very slim and the door is kept firmly shut by those within it.

The Upper Half of the Top 1%

Membership in this elite group is likely to come from being involved in some aspect of the financial services or banking industry, real estate development involved with those industries, or government contracting. Some hard working and clever physicians and attorneys can acquire as much as $15M-$20M before retirement but they are rare. Those in the top 0.5% have incomes over $500k if working and a net worth over $1.8M if retired. The higher we go up into the top 0.5% the more likely it is that their wealth is in some way tied to the investment industry and borrowed money than from personally selling goods or services or labor as do most in the bottom 99.5%. They are much more likely to have built their net worth from stock options and capital gains in stocks and real estate and private business sales, not from income which is taxed at a much higher rate. These opportunities are largely unavailable to the bottom 99.5%.

Recently, I spoke with a younger client who retired from a major investment bank in her early thirties, net worth around $8M. We can estimate that she had to earn somewhere around twice that, or $14M-$16M, in order to keep $8M after taxes and live well along the way, an impressive accomplishment by such an early age. Since I knew she held a critical view of investment banking, I asked if her colleagues talked about or understood how much damage was created in the broader economy from their activities. Her answer was that no one talks about it in public but almost all understood and were unbelievably cynical, hoping to exit the system when they became rich enough.

Folks in the top 0.1% come from many backgrounds but it's infrequent to meet one whose wealth wasn't acquired through direct or indirect participation in the financial and banking industries. One of our clients, net worth in the $60M range, built a small company and was acquired with stock from a multi-national. Stock is often called a "paper" asset. Another client, CEO of a medium-cap tech company, retired with a net worth in the $70M range. The bulk of any CEO's wealth comes from stock, not income, and incomes are also very high. Last year, the average S&P 500 CEO made $9M in all forms of compensation. One client runs a division of a major international investment bank, net worth in the $30M range and most of the profits from his division flow directly or indirectly from the public sector, the taxpayer. Another client with a net worth in the $10M range is the ex-wife of a managing director of a major investment bank, while another was able to amass $12M after taxes by her early thirties from stock options as a high level programmer in a successful IT company. The picture is clear; entry into the top 0.5% and, particularly, the top 0.1% is usually the result of some association with the financial industry and its creations. I find it questionable as to whether the majority in this group actually adds value or simply diverts value from the US economy and business into its pockets and the pockets of the uber-wealthy who hire them. They are, of course, doing nothing illegal.

I think it's important to emphasize one of the dangers of wealth concentration: irresponsibility about the wider economic consequences of their actions by those at the top. (Interpolation: The real issue is that they do not bear the consequences of their actions. When Wall Street was made up of partnerships where the partners put up their personal wealth to make deals and investments, things were very much different.) Wall Street created the investment products that produced gross economic imbalances and the 2008 credit crisis. It wasn't the hard-working 99.5%. Average people could only destroy themselves financially, not the economic system. There's plenty of blame to go around, but the collapse was primarily due to the failure of complex mortgage derivatives, CDS credit swaps, cheap Fed money, lax regulation, compromised ratings agencies, government involvement in the mortgage market, the end of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, and insufficient bank capital. Only Wall Street could put the economy at risk and it had an excellent reason to do so: profit. It made huge profits in the build-up to the credit crisis and huge profits when it sold itself as "too big to fail" and received massive government and Federal Reserve bailouts. Most of the serious economic damage the U.S. is struggling with today was done by the top 0.1% and they benefited greatly from it.

Not surprisingly, Wall Street and the top of corporate America are doing extremely well as of June 2011. For example, in Q1 of 2011, America's top corporations reported 31% profit growth and a 31% reduction in taxes, the latter due to profit outsourcing to low tax rate countries. Somewhere around 40% of the profits in the S&P 500 come from overseas and stay overseas, with about half of these 500 top corporations having their headquarters in tax havens. If the corporations don't repatriate their profits, they pay no U.S. taxes. The year 2010 was a record year for compensation on Wall Street, while corporate CEO compensation rose by over 30%, most Americans struggled. In 2010 a dozen major companies, including GE, Verizon, Boeing, Wells Fargo, and Fed Ex paid US tax rates between -0.7% and -9.2%. Production, employment, profits, and taxes have all been outsourced. Major U.S. corporations are currently lobbying to have another "tax-repatriation" window like that in 2004 where they can bring back corporate profits at a 5.25% tax rate versus the usual 35% US corporate tax rate. Ordinary working citizens with the lowest incomes are taxed at 10%.

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this: A highly complex set of laws and exemptions from laws and taxes has been put in place by those in the uppermost reaches of the U.S. financial system. It allows them to protect and increase their wealth and significantly affect the U.S. political and legislative processes. They have real power and real wealth. Ordinary citizens in the bottom 99.9% are largely not aware of these systems, do not understand how they work, are unlikely to participate in them, and have little likelihood of entering the top 0.5%, much less the top 0.1%. Moreover, those at the very top have no incentive whatsoever for revealing or changing the rules. I am not optimistic.

Addendum, January 2012

A few blogs and emails have disagreed with the views presented in this article. I'll address two of them here:

1.
A New York Times article (Economix, 1/17/12) agrees that the threshold for being in the top 1 per cent in household income is about $380k but states that, based on Fed data, the 1% threshold for net worth is $8.4M. The figure I use is around $1.5M and comes from the IRS. The Fed uses a simple formula based on assets and liabilities at a broad level of analysis with little detail. Using Fed data, about 8% of US households have a net worth exceeding $1M and the median net worth of the top 10% of US families is $1.569M. The IRS uses the estate multiplier technique to calculate the data, a more complex measure based on tax returns, capitalization of earnings power, and other factors. The estate multiplier technique has been around for decades, is more widely used, and in the opinion of many, is the more accurate number. Where the true threshold is located is impossible to determine with accuracy, but my observations in managing money support the lower number or something close to it.

2.
One reader opined that my analysis regarding the bottom half and top half of the top 1% is incorrect and that many business people can amass $20M. Based on my experience with at least a thousand high net worth folks over the last couple of decades, I disagree. The folks in the top 0.5% and particularly the top 0.1% are in my experience very likely to have been the recipients of largesse in the investment industry or banking industry, and this includes those at the top of corporations where compensation is tied to options and stock or those who have careers near the top of the banking and investment industry. There are exceptions, of course.

Let's make the assumption that someone who has an income in the top 1% would reasonably be expected to retire in the top 1%. Everybody's tax situation is a little different, depending upon the state they live in and the deductions they can make. Someone making $380k gross will likely pay about a third of that in Federal and State taxes, leaving about $250k after taxes. Generally, someone making $380k will want to live fairly well, certainly not at the level of the average dual working couple with an income around $55k. Let's say they spend $150k/year, hardly a high end budget in most of the US. That leaves about $100k per year to invest. It is unlikely that even with investment success they are going to amass $10M or $20M by the end of their careers. This fits my observations working with many physicians in many different specialties, and it is generally getting harder to make money in medicine than in the past. Older physicians are retiring today with around $3M to $8M, with just a few above that. Younger physicians are making between $200k and $400k annually — with a few specialties above that — and their typical annual investment contributions run between $50k and $100k.

The bottom line here is that I think it is very difficult to create a net worth in excess of $10M from income alone. Yes, sports stars, entertainers, and some business people do — but they are rare. Those with a higher net worth tend to acquire most of their net worth from capital gains, not income that has been saved and invested. Large capital gains tend to come when private businesses are acquired by private or public companies with stock or when executives are paid directly by options or stock. Wall Street and the banking industry are frequently involved, either directly or indirectly.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Despite my often stated objections to some, even most of the Conservatives' "law and order" agenda,* I do support the Fair Elections initiative.

The Globe and Mail editorialized its opposition to the Act. In fairnes, they do make some good points. But: the Globe and Mail also gave Pierre Poilievre, the Minister of State for Democratic Reform, space to rebut and, in my opinion, he did so most effectively.

I am sure there are some provisions of the bill that will be problematical, but, on the key points: voter ID, public information (as opposed to public relations) and enforcement, the government, not the media and the Laurentian Elites is on the side of the angels.

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* Leaving a few Army.ca members to wonder if I really am a Conservative and why I support the party


But the Laurentian Elites, represented in this case by Chief Electoral officer Marc Mayrand, are, according to David Akin, fighting back in a most effective and suitable bureaucratic manner ~ using very respected Canadians as paid stalking horses, according to this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from his blog:

http://blogs.canoe.ca/davidakin/politics/the-smartest-money-marc-mayrand-ever-spent/
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The smartest money Marc Mayrand ever spent

David Akin

April 4th, 2014

So here’s the conspiracy theory.

Chief Electoral Officer Marc Mayrand surely knows that the Harper government —  and its majority in the House of Commons — has a dim view of his impartiality. Whether that view is deserved or not is not the issue: The fact is Conservatives believe Mayrand has improperly interpreted and unfairly applied Canada’s election laws. And Mayrand or anyone at Elections Canada would have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to know this.

And now, here comes that same government with a request last fall for his suggestions on how elections law ought to be changed.

Mayrand certainly knows that there would be a good chance that this government will not heed his recommendations and, in fact, may even try to diminish the power of his office. If that happens, his only recourse will be the court of public opinion.

And, so, in preparation for a potential fight with the goverment, Mayrand decides to create a blue-ribbon “advisory panel” who will guide his work. He gets to choose who is on it. And he will be sure to choose eminent Canadians who may be expected to share his or his agency’s broad world view about how elections ought to be conducted and how Elections Canada can be strengthened to become an even better referee. He may not ask them explicitly to do so but he may hope that, if push comes to shove, his appointees will speak out for the very reforms they will be advising Mayrand to recommend to the government. Click here to see the blue chip names on the board.

The country’s elected officials — neither governing nor opposition MPs — will not have any input into the selection of this advisory board. Indeed, “Members of the Board are appointed by the CEO (Mayrand) for terms of not less than one and not more than three years and are eligible for reappointment at the discretion of the CEO.” That’s what it says right there at Elections Canada Web site.

Moreover, many members of this advisory board will be paid for their work:

Compensation of Board Members

Members of the Board shall be eligible for reimbursement of reasonable expenses incurred through service to the Board and shall be compensated for their participation in meetings of the Board and its committees at a rate of $1,500 per diem. Additionally, the Chair or Co-Chairs shall be compensated for administrative and preparatory work in the capacity as Chair or Co-Chairs at a rate of $1,750 per diem.

A maximum of $386,000 will paid out in per diems over three years. However much it costs Mayrand’s agency in per diems, it will, for Mayrand, be money well spent. For, sure enough, the government, when it does unveils its proposed reform of election law — in Bill C-23: The Fair Elections Act — it not only ignores Mayrand’s recommendations but it tries to diminish the power of his office.

Mayrand very publicly takes issue with the bill. And, by coincidence or not, so does one of the bluest of blue-chip names on his payroll: Sheila Fraser, the former auditor general. Fraser this week blasted C-23.

Fraser and former Supreme Court Justice Ian Binnie are co-chairs of Mayrand’s advisory board. Fraser’s contract,  confusingly says it runs from Dec. 4, 2013 to March 31, 2014 and is worth was worth a maximum of just over $65,000 for that four-month period. In fact, that is the maximum amount Fraser can be paid over a three-year period. Fraser, on Twitter, tells me so far, she has been paid $2,450 for her work.  For Binnie, it was just under $69,000 maximum for three years work.

Does the fact that Fraser is or was being paid by Elections Canada diminish the credibility of her criticism of C-23? Not in my book. Her criticisms ought to be examined on their merits. But it seems to me to be a completely uncontroversial thing to note, for the record, that she has a financial relationship with Elections Canada which, like her, opposes C-23.  If, for example, a member of the board of directors of an oil company writes an op-ed arguing the merits of this or that energy issue, one notes somewhere that the individual has a financial relationship with the oil company.  A reader  may then decide if that financial relationship enhances the credibility of the opinion offered, diminishes it, or has no effect.

But whether or not Fraser was paid is really not the point.  In fact, to be explicit: I think it absurd to conclude that any of those on Mayrand’s panel have an opinion for rent or hire.

No, the interesting thing here is that the panel exists at all, that Mayrand was politically savvy enough to allocate tens of thousands of tax dollars to assemble a group which he almost certainly could count on to say that a) Elections Canada’s function ought to be strengthened and not diminished and b) Elections Canada ought to have new powers to investigate and enforce elections law. And, of course, the government, in C-23, has, it may be reasonably argued, has done precisely the opposite: It is diminishing the office of the Chief Electoral Officer and is removing Elections Canada’s very ability to investigate and enforce elections law. And that’s why it is not surprising to learn that Fraser is speaking out against C-23. It would be surprising if Mayrand had appointed anyone who could have been expected to agree with anyone other than what Mayrand had been hinting about  in terms of reforms of his office for years.  We do not know what is said at these closed-door advisory board meetings but I would almost certainly bet that none of the board members argued that investigations should be hived off from Elections Canada and that the CEO ought to be muzzled — which is what C-23 does.

At the end of the day, the government knows it has the votes in the House of Commons to do whatever it wants to Mayrand’s agency.

Mayrand is fighting for what he believes in and his only hope to get the government to change its bill is through public opinion and moral suasion. For that, he has smartly enlisted the sterling reputations of Sheila Fraser, Ian Binnie, et al.

Is it paying off for Mayrand? I would say so: Here’s the very wise Bruce Anderson with an op-ed: “Conservatives will only lose fighting Sheila Fraser”.

At least that’s my conspiracy theory.


A lot of partisan Conservatives believe that M. Mayrand is, himself, an anti-CPC partisan. My guess is the Elections Canada is convinced that the CPC, more than any other party, ever, tries to bend and stretch the election rules to an unprecedented degree. But it does seem that Elections Canada goes after the CPC will full vigor while it ignores or excuses e.g. Liberal leadership campaign funding missteps.

If even a bit (some? any?) of what David Akin suggests is true then my guess is that the Conservatives will ram this bill through parliament and rub M Mayrand's face in it.


Edit: spelling  :-[
 
I listened to CBC Radios' The House this morning (I often give it a miss because I think Evan Solomon is a lousy radio interviewer) and I listened to both Sheila Fraser and Pierre Poilievre. Ms Fraser makes some good points, especially about the Conservatives' attitudes towards officers of parliament but, despite massive media attention, this remains an "inside the greenbelt" sort of issue and what Mr Poilievre says will, I think, resonate more with ordinary Canadians®.
 
GAP said:
Hmm....seems to be in the water....BC NDP,  Wild Rose in Alberta, PC's in Manitoba, PC's in Ontario....


What a lot of Canadian political folk, elected/candidates and back room people alike, have to remember or relearn is that Canada, at large, is broadly and generally a pretty moderate place, filled with fairly middle of the road people. Canadians are pragmatic; they want fiscal prudence but social genreosity; they want safe streets but a second chance for young offenders; they want to ship oil to China without screwing up the environment; and the list of dichotomies goes on and one and on ... even I, a card carrying Conservative and a generous donor to that party, oppose large chunks of the CPC's policies. (I oppose even larger, much larger chunks of the NDP's policies and the Liberals' records (since they appear to have no policies, beyond selling weed in the liquor store).)
 
OK, two article, both related to oil, specifically to Alberta's heavy oil and the politics associated with helping and, more often, hindering it:

    First, from the Financial Post: U.S. foundations against the oil sands ~ this is over three years ood but, I suspect that little has changed; and

    Second, from CBC News: Greenpeace calls for Elections Canada probe of Ethical Oil

My sense of things is that the Greenpeace allegations have some basis in fact: the ethical oil campaign is intensely political, and people like Alykhan Velshi do move, easily, between advocacy and partisan politics and, being communications specialists, their words often end up in ministers' mouths, but I guess that this proposal will do as much damage to Greenpeace as it does to ethical oil.

Will Elections Canada take this on? I think Marc Mayrand would love to ... to 'stick it' to Pierre Poilievre and Stephen Harper, et al, and I think it is a somewhat "ground breaking" complaint that might make for some interesting lawyering, but I think, also, that it will end up like the legendary argumentative infantry officer and the pig: everyone will get dirty but nothing of substance will be decided.
 
Interesting that "Ethical Oil" is targeted, but the multitude of Canadian and International organizations against the oil sands are not.

I would especially like to see the Tides foundation under the microscope. Who are these people waging economic war against Canada? I have a suspicion that if you follow the money the trail may not even end up in the United States...
 
Thucydides said:
Interesting that "Ethical Oil" is targeted, but the multitude of Canadian and International organizations against the oil sands are not.

I would especially like to see the Tides foundation under the microscope. Who are these people waging economic war against Canada? I have a suspicion that if you follow the money the trail may not even end up in the United States...

7 of those groups are currently under CRA's microscope including TIDES Canada for exactly that and other reasons.  I expect that many if not all will lose their charitable organisation status.
 
Glad to see the CRA is on the case, but I should have been more clear: Elections Canada is not (AFAIK) investigating these organzations, despite their very vocal political advocacy.
 
Thucydides said:
Glad to see the CRA is on the case, but I should have been more clear: Elections Canada is not (AFAIK) investigating these organzations, despite their very vocal political advocacy.

True indeed.  But it's exactly their political advocacy that has CRA going after them.  And given TIDES reputation I hope they nail them.

Edit to add: And I believe that CRA can do much more to punish TIDES than Elections Canada could ever do.
 
Here is a CBC article on the audit of seven groups including TIDES.  The insinuation is that the complaint came from Ethical Oil.

I wonder if the complaint against Ethical Oil wasn't retaliation.  One just has to look at the list to see that they are likely related.

Interesting indeed.

Right now I think only a complaint was made to Elections Canada and hasn't been acted on yet.
 
Crantor said:
Here is a CBC article on the audit of seven groups including TIDES.  The insinuation is that the complaint came from Ethical Oil.

I wonder if the complaint against Ethical Oil wasn't retaliation.  One just has to look at the list to see that they are likely related.

Interesting indeed.

Right now I think only a complaint was made to Elections Canada and hasn't been acted on yet.


I think this is the link to the article to which you are referring.
 
The problem for Ethical Oil lies in their donors list. As Ezra Levant pointed out, once that's made public there's nothing to stop activists from shaming people and businesses into their version of line.

This is not about what or who Ethical Oil is. It's about access to the donors list.
 
I'm going to suggest this thread is the proper place for the article since health care expenses are among the largest single line item in provincial budgets, as well as the fastest growing. Allowing health care clinics in "Big Box" retail stores isn't a huge stretch (considering they already have pharmacies, optometrists and so on), but more inportantly is the idea of transparent pricing and consumer choice, which is missing in Canada's health care system. The cost savings should be enourmous, and provide a great deal of breathing room for provincial governments to get their finances in order:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/04/08/consumers-win-big-from-growth-of-health-care-clinics/

Consumers Win Big from Growth of Health Care Clinics

One of the most important health care innovations of our time may not be a miracle drug or a new scanning machine, but something much more prosaic: big box clinics. Since the early 2000s, chains like CVS have experimented with in-house primary care clinics, but now retailers are beginning to scale the concept up. Some predict the number of clinics will double over the 2013–15 period. This development should make cost-conscious consumers very happy, as the WaPo explains:


A study by [Dr. Ateev] Mehrotra and colleagues published in 2009 in the Annals of Internal Medicine looked at 700 episodes of each of three common conditions—inflammation of the middle ear, urinary tract infections and pharyngitis, an infection that causes most sore throats. Using 12 quality-of-care measures, it found that treatment was “similar for retail clinics, physician offices and urgent care centers, and lower for [emergency rooms].” The costs of care for each episode averaged $110 at retail clinics, $166 at doctors’ offices, $156 at urgent care centers and $570 in emergency department [...]

Transparency in pricing is one way in which retail clinics reflect growing trends in health care, said Ceci Connolly, managing director of PricewaterhouseCoopers Health Research Institute. “The price is just out there on a giant board” for consumers who want to comparison shop for care the way they shop for other services, she said.

As this story notes, the American Medical Association opposes the big box clinic idea, which shouldn’t be surprising, given their interests. Fortunately, opposition to clinics hasn’t kept consumers from using them.

Health clinics aren’t a panacea for what ails our health care system; nor are they a one-stop shop for every individual’s health care needs. But as a large primary care setting complementing the work of doctors and hospitals, clinics can make our lives more convenient and our paychecks stretch further. Americans so far seem to appreciate this, and big box clinics are expanding to meet the rising demand.
 
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