Prohibition of non-issued boots?

[Matt_Fisher]

I just spoke with a friend of mine who's in 39 CBG and he told me that a CANFORGEN has came out that states that the only boots authorized for wear in the field are the Mk IIIs and the Cold/Wet Weather Boots.

I'd always known that non-issued kit has been dicey at times, but in the field, the choice of footwear has been pretty much left up to the individual soldier (within reason).  However from what my buddy was telling me is that in 39 CBG at least, the Brigade RSM is on a witch hunt for anybody not wearing CF issued boots, and that even jungle and desert boots you were issued are prohibited from wear in Canada.  Does anyone have any more substance on this?  Is this something limited to 39 CBG or is it now Forces wide?

 

[jswift872]

I don't know if this helps much, but a bunch of guy's from my unit (PLF) wear these boots they picked up in Virginia called Magnums I beleive (correct me if I'm wrong)  hope this helps...a little

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I know for LFAA ARCON 04  (36/37 CBG's/0 in the Joining Instructions/ARCON Orders it was stated that desert and jungle boots were not to be worn as they are only authorized for use outside of Canada.

So, it might be forces wide, not entirely sure.

 

[COBRA-6]

Not a CANFORGEN, likely a 39 CBG dress reg...

 

[perry]

I spent the summer of 04 and other times at the ARMD School and I always wore jungle boots or desert boots in the field but only in the field only and nothing was ever said to me and I have seen lot of others wearing them as well.I believe this may be a Unit/RSM thing, even at my old Unit we used to wear jungle boots or "other than issue" boots in the field and nothing was ever said.

 

[Britney Spears]

Like we'lll ever be that well organized. I'm sure the troops are just waiting it out until the RSM gets some new hair in his @ss. Besides, 39Bg is a reserve BG, I highly doubt that 90% of the soldiers have ever actually SEEN the brigade RSM, much less seen him in the field.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

If it is a CANFORGEN would you happen to know what it is?  Also there are many instances of people getting chits to wear better boots.  We all know the MK 3's cause injuries over time that aren't necessary.  Another instance of a dinosaur that needs to be put to pasture.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

39 CBG

11 Medical Company
11 Service Battalion
12 Medical Company
12 Service Battalion
15 Field Artillery Regiment
15 Field Artillery Regiment Band
39 Canadian Brigade Group HQ
44 Field Engineer Squadron
5 Field Artillery Regiment
6 Field Engineer Squadron
British Columbia Dragoons
British Columbia Regiment
Canadian Scottish Regiment
Rocky Mountain Rangers
Royal Westminster Regiment
Seaforth Highlanders of Canada

 

[Haggis]

The direction is a CANFORGEN, issued about a month ago. Unfortunately I don't have the complete text on my home PC, but the topic was field dress.

Specifically it says the following:

-  The only boots approved for field wear in Canada are the Mk 3's and the Wet Weather Combat Boot. It goes on to specifically mention that desert boots are not to be worn in Canada.

- The only headdress for wear in the field (other than a helmet) is the wide brimmed combat hat.  The BDU pattern Ranger boonie hat and old Robin Hood combat cap are forbidden.

There are many other ponits as well pertaining to the fielding of the ICE kit and wearing mixed ICE/IECS and mixed CADPAT/OD kit as well as a restriction on wearing CADPAT (AR) in Canada.

All RSMs and SSM/CSMs should have seen this by now.

Bottom line is that this CANFORGEN has the force of an order so no one has any excuses if you get jacked up for  wearing desert boots in Northern Alberta.

 

[chrisf]

You're not allowed to mix ICE and IECS? Ridiculous... as much as I can understand if you've been issued both sets of equipment (Though I can't see why anyone should have), I know plenty of people who've been issued bits and pieces of ICE due to shortages of IECS.

*sigh*

 

[Bomber]

The funniest thing of that Canforgen is that it prohibits the wearing of Mukluks, Arctic Slippers, Snow shoes, skis, anything else that might go onto your feet, by saying that the only authorized footwear is the Mk 3, WWB, and the yet to be released TCB.  Put the appropriate stock into this CanForGen.  I think this "no desert boots or jungle boots" is some kind of madness that a bunch of people have been pushing for years.  I figure it is a "I don't have them, so neither can you".  If you have a chit for something, like boots, and are ordered to go against it by someone other than an MO, get ready to receive some pension action.

 

[Big Foot]

Great, so according to that CANFORGEN, I have no jacket that I can wear with my combats because it says you can't mix OD and CADPAT and since they won't give me a Goretex jacket, I guess I'm SOL. Oh well, rules are rules I suppose.

 

[KevinB]

1 CMBG has directed that no non issue boots be worn -- and get a load of this - EVEN if you have a chit...

The only exception is that if the CF buys non issue boots for you.


Now - I have had a Danner chit sicne '95 -- I now need to prove to someone that I dont get MkIII's or WW Boots  :

Someone flipped the "GAY" switch

 

[chrisf]

Great, so according to that CANFORGEN, I have no jacket that I can wear with my combats because it says you can't mix OD and CADPAT and since they won't give me a Goretex jacket, I guess I'm SOL. Oh well, rules are rules I suppose.

No, it said you can't mix IECS and ICE, the OD goretex vs the CADPAT.

Despite the CanForgen, if you haven't been issued it, you can't wear it, if the person jacking you up for it has a problem with that, then they should be the ones marching you off to supply to get you the new kit.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Quote,
1 CMBG has directed that no non issue boots be worn -- and get a load of this - EVEN if you have a chit...
The only exception is that if the CF buys non issue boots for you.

.....well obviously the author knows more than your doctor :...every once in a while something I read reminds me of why I booked it.

 

[chrisf]

Perhaps an evolution of liability issues? Same as a bastardization of "no running in combat boots"?

 

[KevinB]

.....well obviously the author knows more than your doctor :...every once in a while something I read reminds me of why I booked it.

Never let common sense get in the way of uniformity 

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Perhaps an evolution of liability issues? Same as a bastardization of "no running in combat boots"?

What ??? So what are we "supposed" to walk into/during battle  ;D : ???

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

That's odd Kev because we were told we could wear black JB's in garrison (I think because the DCO wears them all the time).

 

[chrisf]

Apparently.

(As I understand it, originally, it started as a ban in PT with the combat boots, running on pavement, as it was causing unnessascary injuries. Then it evolved into no running on pavement in combat boots. Period. Not even if you're in a real hurry. Then it evolved into no running in combat boots. Period. Stupid? Yes. No arguments there.)