Public service employment has grown by 31 per cent

[Halifax Tar]

Best we can do is a F150 financed at 29% and a trio of ex wives.

You forgot the Harley…

I sailed with that guy.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Do I have to contribute to the PS pension plan and benefits ? Or can I go on my own ?

I think you have no choice but to contribute until you hit 35 years.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I sailed with that guy.

We all have…

 

[Remius]

I think you have no choice but to contribute until you hit 35 years.

Correct.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Calm yourself. They already have and are.

And apparently they also are not, for some.

 

[dapaterson]

I think you have no choice but to contribute until you hit 35 years.

And after 35, you contribute at 1% of earnings.

It's important to track it yourself, as there's no automated "This person is at 35 years combined" alert, so you risk having excess deductions taken, which require Phoenix action to refund, and are paid out without interest.

 

[Remius]

And apparently they also are not, for some.

Yes Brad, I know you are disappointed that they won’t be laying off everyone this time.

 

[Jarnhamar]

You forgot the Harley…

No Ninjas?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Yes Brad, I know you are disappointed that they won’t be laying off everyone this time.

The disappointment is that governments keep finding ways to inflate the costs of hiring, employing, and firing.

 

[Remius]

The disappointment is that governments keep finding ways to inflate the costs of hiring, employing, and firing.

The ERI is to help reduce the cost of firing.

Laying off is far more expensive.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The ERI is to help reduce the cost of firing.

Laying off is far more expensive.

Then they're doing it wrong. Whatever they have done that compels them to do more than give notice (or whatever else the absolute minimum is allowed by law), they should undo - legislation, long strikes, whatever - and proceed from there. There are more pressing uses for federal funds.

 

[Remius]

Then they're doing it wrong. Whatever they have done that compels them to do more than give notice (or whatever else the absolute minimum is allowed by law), they should undo - legislation, long strikes, whatever - and proceed from there. There are more pressing uses for federal funds.

Ah yes yelling at clouds.

It’s what’s in place. ERI will minimise costs. Reductions have an upfront cost that save over time. Your tantrum won’t change that.

Maybe over time they will roll back collective agreements. Maybe not. Me and certainly you won’t be around for it though.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Ah yes yelling at clouds.

Sure. Hoping governments will cut costs somewhere in order to do things like keep emerg departments open and reduce the number of OD deaths. Obviously we aren't finding enough resources for those, and various other arguably more important things. I'm just not that sympathetic to the cloud that encompasses "middle class welfare".

 

[Remius]

Sure. Hoping governments will cut costs somewhere in order to do things like keep emerg departments open and reduce the number of OD deaths.

They are cutting things to do other things. It’s the whole point of the exercise.

Obviously we aren't finding enough resources for those, and various other arguably more important things. I'm just not that sympathetic to the cloud that encompasses "middle class welfare".

You are a bit all over the map here.

Your opener was “F*. Just lay people off for F* sakes.”

My reply is that they are in fact doing it.

Then you said they were for some but not for others. Ok…that’s kind of how it works.

But then you lamented the cost of hiring employing and firing.

You don’t like that ERI is going to in fact reduce the cost of firing.

To which you went on about layoff compensation (something that exists in others fields as well) being wrong etc etc and eliminating collective agreement provisions.

Now onto a bunch of stuff about Emergency rooms and other things.

You are not being realistic thus the cloud yelling comparison.

 

[Brad Sallows]

They are cutting things to do other things. It’s the whole point of the exercise.

You are a bit all over the map here.

Your opener was “F*. Just lay people off for F* sakes.”

By which I meant, just give them notice and show them the door. No deals, no pension sweeteners, no voiding of penalties. Give them whatever notice they're entitled to and let them be usefully employed for that time, pay them severance, and let them collect whatever pension they've accrued, subject to penalties if applicable.

 

[Remius]

By which I meant, just give them notice and show them the door. No deals, no pension sweeteners, no voiding of penalties. Give them whatever notice they're entitled to and let them be usefully employed for that time, pay them severance, and let them collect whatever pension they've accrued, subject to penalties if applicable.

Which leads to a more expensive process. It’s exactly what they are hoping to minimise.

It’s also why a lot of people in that cohort that might eligible are talking about not taking it hoping that they get WFAed instead or alternate with someone who is.

It’s also why the unions are calling foul because ERI by all accounts is less than what you are proposing. Which is the normal process for the most part.

 

[Haggis]

I received an email at work outlining how ERI would be carried out in my agency. I don't qualify under their criteria as it excludes front line personnel because the intent is to grow that part of our workforce.

 

[Furniture]

I received an email at work outlining how ERI would be carried out in my agency. I don't qualify under their criteria as it excludes front line personnel because the intent is to grow that part of our workforce.

That is a very positive bit of news.

Sounds like people are thinking about how to cut the admin bloat, rather than the outputs.

 

[Remius]

That is a very positive bit of news.

Sounds like people are thinking about how to cut the admin bloat, rather than the outputs.

Time will tell but so far this isn’t looking like a free for all.

 

[mariomike]

I was in a non-federal PS.

There may, or may not, be some similarities .

Most vulnerable were management and non-union staff.

They were first to go.

Union members were protected by seniority rights, recall, and job protection from contracting out.

The so-called "frontline" union members, ie: those on 9-1-1 Operations were never laid off.