CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]

[Underway]

What is the ANCU? Is that NTOGs latest nickname?

Sort of?

With the coming of Aegis and F35s.Canada has to significantly increase security at its naval and airbases (and likely ammo bases as well).

RCAF is looking at a COA which is the creation of an RCAF regiment (see UK RAF regiment or US Air Field Security for examples).

The RCN has to do similar. So NTOG, NST and other orgs with UAV and Counter UAV are being rolled in together. This is likely setting the groundwork for the significant security changes. Significant like, Counter drone, armed sentries, a QRF with armoured security vehicles (TAPV or lower) armed RHIBs in the harbour, defensive positions, mortars and machine guns.

More importantly it stabilizes the funding of these various projects and orgs, provides a proper chain of command with a seat at the table of the decision makers.

This may... may... lead to the creation of Naval Infantry for the task. Not amphib forces but Naval Infantry that do security tasks at sea or ashore. Of note Naval Infantry in Canada go all the way back to Quebecois pre Plains of Abraham.

 

[FSTO]

Naval Infantry in Canada go all the way back to Quebecois pre Plains of Abraham.

Hey! Don’t you know that pre-1867 has no historical revelence to Canada?

 

[Stoker]

Sort of?

With the coming of Aegis and F35s.Canada has to significantly increase security at its naval and airbases (and likely ammo bases as well).

RCAF is looking at a COA which is the creation of an RCAF regiment (see UK RAF regiment or US Air Field Security for examples).

The RCN has to do similar. So NTOG, NST and other orgs with UAV and Counter UAV are being rolled in together. This is likely setting the groundwork for the significant security changes. Significant like, Counter drone, armed sentries, a QRF with armoured security vehicles (TAPV or lower) armed RHIBs in the harbour, defensive positions, mortars and machine guns.

More importantly it stabilizes the funding of these various projects and orgs, provides a proper chain of command with a seat at the table of the decision makers.

This may... may... lead to the creation of Naval Infantry for the task. Not amphib forces but Naval Infantry that do security tasks at sea or ashore. Of note Naval Infantry in Canada go all the way back to Quebecois pre Plains of Abraham.

Interesting what you said about bases, CFB Halifax is open base again. Walk or drive on in, no security.

 

[brihard]

It’ll be interesting to see how CAF somehow expands to add a Bn- of RCN force protection, and a (2x?) Bn+ for RCAF. I can’t see how this gets done without pillaging the combat arms, yet we’re also at a high tempo of rotational CBTA deployments to Eastern Europe. But without the Force Pro, CAF simply won’t get access to some of our kit.

RCAF probably needs to gets its first couple Force Pro companies up and running sooner; RCN likely has more time due to procurement lengths. But will they use it effectively and build the capability in a timely manner?

I’m also wondering if CAF will create some sort of new blended-blue ‘security forces’ trade or something.

 

[Underway]

Interesting what you said about bases, CFB Halifax is open base again. Walk or drive on in, no security.

Not CFB Halifax but Dockyard, and wherever they have Aegis traing or testing facilities. So Harlen point is probably going to be the test drive for this.

This is going to be a 5-6 year plan I'm sure so pers and plan will have time to adjust. US won't allow you to have the tech if you don't have the security.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Sort of?

With the coming of Aegis and F35s.Canada has to significantly increase security at its naval and airbases (and likely ammo bases as well).

RCAF is looking at a COA which is the creation of an RCAF regiment (see UK RAF regiment or US Air Field Security for examples).

The RCN has to do similar. So NTOG, NST and other orgs with UAV and Counter UAV are being rolled in together. This is likely setting the groundwork for the significant security changes. Significant like, Counter drone, armed sentries, a QRF with armoured security vehicles (TAPV or lower) armed RHIBs in the harbour, defensive positions, mortars and machine guns.

More importantly it stabilizes the funding of these various projects and orgs, provides a proper chain of command with a seat at the table of the decision makers.

This may... may... lead to the creation of Naval Infantry for the task. Not amphib forces but Naval Infantry that do security tasks at sea or ashore. Of note Naval Infantry in Canada go all the way back to Quebecois pre Plains of Abraham.

That is hilarious! For me anyways

It’ll be interesting to see how CAF somehow expands to add a Bn- of RCN force protection, and a (2x?) Bn+ for RCAF. I can’t see how this gets done without pillaging the combat arms, yet we’re also at a high tempo of rotational CBTA deployments to Eastern Europe. But without the Force Pro, CAF simply won’t get access to some of our kit.

RCAF probably needs to gets its first couple Force Pro companies up and running sooner; RCN likely has more time due to procurement lengths. But will they use it effectively and build the capability in a timely manner?

I’m also wondering if CAF will create some sort of new blended-blue ‘security forces’ trade or something.

It will be a struggle. Competing interests tells me this has trouble getting off the ground. My former boss was put in charge of the SCTF and everyone was all hot and horny until the cheque came due.

 

[brihard]

That is hilarious! For me anyways


It will be a struggle. Competing interests tells me this has trouble getting off the ground. My former boss was put in charge of the SCTF and everyone was all hot and horny until the cheque came due.

They’ll have to get their poop in a group or they just don’t get the kit. In an extreme failure, I could see RegF platoons being rotated through IOT allow Canada to receive these capabilities.

I could also see a RegF CBTA instructor cadre standing up the initial capability… Frankly I don’t see how they could to it without that. While the CAF security forces should be able to reach self-sufficiency as a trade if the build isn’t completely botched, it’ll be a while until they have the size and experience to provide their own instructor cadre.

I wonder if CAF will offer retention bonus to capture and VOT combat arms troops who might otherwise be releasing? To me, given the overall significant cost of AEGIS, F-35, MQ-9 etc, the relative pittance of a cost to throw some money at retention and OTs should be a no brainer.

 

[brihard]

Should we have a “CAF Security Forces” spinoff thread? I think this will be an enduring discussion for several years.

 

[dimsum]

Should we have a “CAF Security Forces” spinoff thread? I think this will be an enduring discussion for several years.

Yes.

 

[GR66]

RCAF is looking at a COA which is the creation of an RCAF regiment (see UK RAF regiment or US Air Field Security for examples).

The RCN has to do similar. So NTOG, NST and other orgs with UAV and Counter UAV are being rolled in together. This is likely setting the groundwork for the significant security changes. Significant like, Counter drone, armed sentries, a QRF with armoured security vehicles (TAPV or lower) armed RHIBs in the harbour, defensive positions, mortars and machine guns.

So...with the CAF being a unified military force is there a particular reason that the RCN needs to beef up their various security units to a "Naval Infantry" unit and the RCAF needs to stand up an "RCAF Regiment" to provide security to our military bases?

If only there was some portion of the CAF that traditionally had responsibility for base security that could maybe go back to some of its more traditional "military" roles as opposed to the more "civilianized" roles it has (d)evolved to in recent decades...

 

[FSTO]

So...with the CAF being a unified military force

Oh, you’re serious?

 

[CBH99]

To me, given the overall significant cost of AEGIS, F-35, MQ-9 etc, the relative pittance of a cost to throw some money at retention and OTs should be a no brainer.

I'm on the same page as you mate, but let's remember...this is the same government that didn't see it that way when they took away PLA/PLD to save a whopping $30M...

Here's to hoping though

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sort of?

With the coming of Aegis and F35s.Canada has to significantly increase security at its naval and airbases (and likely ammo bases as well).

RCAF is looking at a COA which is the creation of an RCAF regiment (see UK RAF regiment or US Air Field Security for examples).

The RCN has to do similar. So NTOG, NST and other orgs with UAV and Counter UAV are being rolled in together. This is likely setting the groundwork for the significant security changes. Significant like, Counter drone, armed sentries, a QRF with armoured security vehicles (TAPV or lower) armed RHIBs in the harbour, defensive positions, mortars and machine guns.

More importantly it stabilizes the funding of these various projects and orgs, provides a proper chain of command with a seat at the table of the decision makers.

This may... may... lead to the creation of Naval Infantry for the task. Not amphib forces but Naval Infantry that do security tasks at sea or ashore. Of note Naval Infantry in Canada go all the way back to Quebecois pre Plains of Abraham.

For now they can give them all of the remaining G-wagons. Replace the G-Wagons in their current roles with Senators. Eventually move the TAPV's to bases and replace them with a better vehicle. Roshel also makes a smaller armoured car that might be useful for being airlifted to provide security.

Roshel – Smart Armored Vehicles

Roshel is one of the largest manufacturers of smart armored vehicles for commercial and government organizations in North America.

roshel.com

 

[Cloud Cover]

Interesting what you said about bases, CFB Halifax is open base again. Walk or drive on in, no security.

WTF.

 

[Cloud Cover]

HMCS Assiniboine AEGIS is too valuable to be left vulnerable with only a bare guard of unarmed commissionaires. At least train some war dogs…

 

[MJP]

WTF.

Lots of bases are wide open. They all have the ability to restrict access and the areas that needs restriction get it. No point in using resources to protect some admin buildings. I can walk up to Parliment hill, doesn't mean I see or access anything harmful to country. Things that need security, get security.

 

[dapaterson]

HMCS Assiniboine AEGIS is too valuable to be left vulnerable with only a bare guard of unarmed commissionaires. At least train some war dogs…

More like

 

[Cloud Cover]

Lots of bases are wide open. They all have the ability to restrict access and the areas that needs restriction get it. No point in using resources to protect some admin buildings. I can walk up to Parliment hill, doesn't mean I see or access anything harmful to country. Things that need security get security.

Excellent, excellent. As long as it’s not the dockyard.

 

[Kirkhill]

It’ll be interesting to see how CAF somehow expands to add a Bn- of RCN force protection, and a (2x?) Bn+ for RCAF. I can’t see how this gets done without pillaging the combat arms, yet we’re also at a high tempo of rotational CBTA deployments to Eastern Europe. But without the Force Pro, CAF simply won’t get access to some of our kit.

RCAF probably needs to gets its first couple Force Pro companies up and running sooner; RCN likely has more time due to procurement lengths. But will they use it effectively and build the capability in a timely manner?

I’m also wondering if CAF will create some sort of new blended-blue ‘security forces’ trade or something.

Leverage all those local reserve infantry units... sez he with exasperation.

By some Class B service and create some weapons and ammo techs.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I thought the army was against giving the reserves any role but individual augmentees?