Posted by
"Todd Harris" <[email protected]> on
Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:25:49 -0500
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
Personally,
I would love to be able to go on a Peacekeeping tour because I have always
wanted to test my mettle in a "real" situation. I‘ve spent 13 years in the
Military learning skills, going on Ex, etc... but have never actually been
in the real thing. I want to know how I‘ll stand up.
That doesn‘t necessarily mean I want a shooting war to test myself. I‘d be
just as happy leading troops in a peacetime mission. But doing it for real,
and not on an Exercise.
Todd Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan O. Arc [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:47
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
More belated input If no one else wants o revisit these subjects, which
have probably already been thoroughly covered on the BB, I quite understand,
but am only now doing a post-holiday catch up on e-mails!
Re: "I don‘t think any Soldier wants war."
I‘m picking up two quite different strains of thought on this question from
this list. Those, such as Peter, who seem to see military service primarily
as a form to service to country and who are willing to do "whatever the job
takes" during the period in which they happen to serve. If war, fine if
not, that‘s OK, too.
But there are others who seem so keen on the idea that soldiering = fighting
that they‘re willing to join other countries‘ services if it will increase
their chances of fighting.
I guess my question is: How do the majority of the members of this list who
have served/are serving/hope to serve feel about what seems to me this
fairly fundamental philosophical question?
The reason I ask is that the other day I was talking to someone who has
written fairly extensively about and made quite a few documentaries about
Generally positive ones, I hasten to add. Like me, he is a civvie
"military buff". the Cdn. Armed Forces
He commented that, based on what he has seen, anyway, he thinks that
peacekeeping may be an inherently demoralizing job for many soldiers,
because the sort of person who seeks a career in the miltary is generally
someone who wants an opportunity to fight, not to "sit around" figurative
speech - NOT meant to disparage the p‘keepers efforts in any way
preventing others from fighting.
I realize this is not a particularly new observation, but it does strike me
as a potentially important one.
Again, I wonder what the views of the members of this list on this question
might be?
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Peter deVries"
Reply-To:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:31:30
Adam,
I come from Nova Scotia, and it is just as hard to get into the military
college out here. The thoughts are exactly the same here "That everything
west of us gets everything" I don‘t think that Canada is biast to the east.
The RCR, the PPCLI, and the VanDoos are all well known regiments outside
Canada. And yes the British have been fighting for a while, but you have to
consider this: I don‘t think any Soldier wants war. Sure the training is
interesting and I would be the first one to volunteer for a tour, but war is
not something to wish for. Sure the British have good kit, but the Canadian
forces are just getting re-kitted. Anyway, In my opinion, I can‘t understand
why anyone would want to join a foreign army.
Peter
>From: "Adam Wainwright"
>Reply-To:
[email protected]
>To:
>Subject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:45:25 -0800
>
>Peter,
>I understand where Matt is coming from though. I to am seriously looking
>into going to the UK to the royal marines. There are something‘s about my
>situation that are frustrating, I want to be an officer and being form the
>west coast have a definite disadvantage to eastern Canadian candidates. It
>seems that Canada is very much cantered in the east or what is east to
>us.
>Which it is, life here is totally different from there. Still I‘m not
>saying that the CF in anyway does not accommodate us it just seems that
>were
>out of the game out here sometimes. I see Matts want to go somewhere else.
>We as a country don‘t really have any ‘big name units‘. Plus there are
>some
>super postings and kit in the UK. Also the mentality is totally different
>-
>the brits have fought a war everyday for the last 500 years. The are
>scrappers and train to actually fight and be fighting soldiers. they really
>don‘t mess around. there PT and stuff is crazy.
>Sorry if anyone takes offence to this opion.
>
>Adam
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
[email protected] [mailto
[email protected]]On
>Behalf Of Peter deVries
>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:02 AM
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
>
>
>Matt,
> Why would you want to join a foriegn army? It seems like a lot just to
>wear a maroon beret. Sure I would love to be airborne, but I wouldn‘t leave
>my country just to be a paratrooper. If I was to go to the U.K. I would
>join
>the Black Watch. But I would rather want to work for Canada than anywhere
>else. You can still be part of a jump coy in one of the infantry regiments.
>It‘s not the same as the old Airborne, but then again, the British Para‘s
>are not the same as the CAR. The British Paras are humbled because of all
>the other "Special Forces units" in Britain. IE:SAS, SBS, Royal Marine
>Commando‘s, etc... If you want to be an unconventional soldier, join the
>Canadian army, we are one of the most unconventional armies in the world, I
>don‘t think in any other army, does the ordinary soldier play so many
>roles.
>Also, we have JTF-2 which is open to both reservists and regular force
>soldiers. Anyway, something to think about. I would say that the Canadian
>soldier is thought to be one of the best, most versitile soldiers in the
>world.
>But, it is up to you, make sure you educate yourself on both armies before
>you join either one.
>Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From:
[email protected]
> >Reply-To:
[email protected]
> >To:
[email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
> >Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:34:32 EST
> >
> >So, with all that said, does anyone think that there will be a Parachute
> >Regiment or CAR type unit erected in Canada in the relatively near
>future?
> >I
> >wouldn‘t think so, because the common feeling seems to be that, in these
> >modern times, parachuting masses of manpower and materiel is a very
> >inefficient mode to transportation for the military. I think most concur
> >with
> >that. So is it basically understood that forming, or resurrecting an
> >Airborne
> >Unit would be a waste, and a rather poor placement of funds?
> > Just to clear something up, I didn‘t mean to say that I AM going to
> >the
> >UK, only that I‘m giving it very serious consideration
> > Let‘s have it.
> > -Matt B.
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
> >to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
> >remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
> >message body.
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
>to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
>remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
>message body.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
>to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
>remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
>message body.
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
--------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
message body.
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
--------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
message body.
RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
Personally,
I would love to be able to go on a Peacekeeping tour
because I have always wanted to test my mettle in a quotrealquot
situation. I‘ve spent 13 years in the Military learning skills,
going on Ex, etc... but have never actually been in the real
thing. I want to know how I‘ll stand up.
That doesn‘t necessarily mean I want a shooting war
to test myself. I‘d be just as happy leading troops in a
peacetime mission. But doing it for real, and not on an
Exercise.
Todd Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan O. Arc [mailto:
[email protected]
]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:47
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
More belated input If no one else wants o revisit
these subjects, which
have probably already been thoroughly covered on the
BB, I quite understand,
but am only now doing a post-holiday catch up on
e-mails!
Re: quotI don‘t think any Soldier wants
war.quot
I‘m picking up two quite different strains of thought
on this question from
this list. Those, such as Peter, who seem to see
military service primarily
as a form to service to country and who are willing
to do quotwhatever the job
takesquot during the period in which they happen
to serve. If war, fine if
not, that‘s OK, too.
But there are others who seem so keen on the idea
that soldiering =3D fighting
that they‘re willing to join other countries‘
services if it will increase
their chances of fighting.
I guess my question is: How do the majority of the
members of this list who
have served/are serving/hope to serve feel about
what seems to me this
fairly fundamental philosophical question?
The reason I ask is that the other day I was talking
to someone who has
written fairly extensively about and made quite a
few documentaries about
Generally positive ones, I hasten to add.
Like me, he is a civvie
quotmilitary buffquot. the Cdn. Armed
Forces
He commented that, based on what he has seen, anyway,
he thinks that
peacekeeping may be an inherently demoralizing job
for many soldiers,
because the sort of person who seeks a career in the
miltary is generally
someone who wants an opportunity to fight, not to
quotsit aroundquot figurative
speech - NOT meant to disparage the p‘keepers
efforts in any way
preventing others from fighting.
I realize this is not a particularly new observation,
but it does strike me
as a potentially important one.
Again, I wonder what the views of the members of this
list on this question
might be?
----Original Message Follows----
From: quotPeter deVriesquot
[email protected]
Reply-To:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:31:30
Adam,
I come from Nova Scotia, and it is just
as hard to get into the military
college out here. The thoughts are exactly the same
here quotThat everything
west of us gets everythingquot I don‘t think
that Canada is biast to the east.
The RCR, the PPCLI, and the VanDoos are all well
known regiments outside
Canada. And yes the British have been fighting for a
while, but you have to
consider this: I don‘t think any Soldier wants war.
Sure the training is
interesting and I would be the first one to
volunteer for a tour, but war is
not something to wish for. Sure the British have
good kit, but the Canadian
forces are just getting re-kitted. Anyway, In my
opinion, I can‘t understand
why anyone would want to join a foreign army.
Peter
gtFrom: quotAdam Wainwrightquot
[email protected]
gtReply-To:
[email protected]
gtTo:
[email protected]
gtSubject: RE: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
gtDate: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:45:25 -0800
gt
gtPeter,
gtI understand where Matt is coming from
though. I to am seriously looking
gtinto going to the UK to the royal marines.
There are something‘s about my
gtsituation that are frustrating, I want to be an
officer and being form the
gtwest coast have a definite disadvantage to
eastern Canadian candidates. It
gtseems that Canada is very much cantered in the
east or what is east to
gtus.
gtWhich it is, life here is totally different from
there. Still I‘m not
gtsaying that the CF in anyway does not
accommodate us it just seems that
gtwere
gtout of the game out here sometimes. I see
Matts want to go somewhere else.
gtWe as a country don‘t really have any ‘big name
units‘. Plus there are
gtsome
gtsuper postings and kit in the UK. Also the
mentality is totally different
gt-
gtthe brits have fought a war everyday for the
last 500 years. The are
gtscrappers and train to actually fight and be
fighting soldiers. they really
gtdon‘t mess around. there PT and stuff is
crazy.
gtSorry if anyone takes offence to this
opion.
gt
gtAdam
gt
gt-----Original Message-----
gtFrom:
[email protected] [mailto
wner-army-list@CdnArm
y.ca]On
gtBehalf Of Peter deVries
gtSent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:02 AM
gtTo:
[email protected]
gtSubject: Re: [Re: Parachute Batallion?]
gt
gt
gtMatt,
gt Why would you want to join a
foriegn army? It seems like a lot just to
gtwear a maroon beret. Sure I would love to be
airborne, but I wouldn‘t leave
gtmy country just to be a paratrooper. If I was to
go to the U.K. I would
gtjoin
gtthe Black Watch. But I would rather want to work
for Canada than anywhere
gtelse. You can still be part of a jump coy in one
of the infantry regiments.
gtIt‘s not the same as the old Airborne, but then
again, the British Para‘s
gtare not the same as the CAR. The British Paras
are humbled because of all
gtthe other quotSpecial Forces unitsquot in
Britain. IE:SAS, SBS, Royal Marine
gtCommando‘s, etc... If you want to be an
unconventional soldier, join the
gtCanadian army, we are one of the most
unconventional armies in the world, I
gtdon‘t think in any other army, does the ordinary
soldier play so many
gtroles.
gtAlso, we have JTF-2 which is open to both
reservists and regular force
gtsoldiers. Anyway, something to think about. I
would say that the Canadian
gtsoldier is thought to be one of the best, most
versitile soldiers in the
gtworld.
gtBut, it is up to you, make sure you educate
yourself on both armies before
gtyou join either one.
gtPeter
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt
gt gtFrom:
[email protected]
gt gtReply-To:
[email protected]
gt gtTo:
[email protected]
gt gtSubject: Re: [Re: Parachute
Batallion?]
gt gtDate: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:34:32 EST
gt gt
gt gtSo, with all that said, does anyone think
that there will be a Parachute
gt gtRegiment or CAR type unit erected in Canada
in the relatively near
gtfuture?
gt gtI
gt gtwouldn‘t think so, because the common
feeling seems to be that, in these
gt gtmodern times, parachuting masses of
manpower and materiel is a very
gt gtinefficient mode to transportation for the
military. I think most concur
gt gtwith
gt gtthat. So is it basically understood that
forming, or resurrecting an
gt gtAirborne
gt gtUnit would be a waste, and a rather poor
placement of funds?
gt gt Just to clear
something up, I didn‘t mean to say that I AM going to
gt gtthe
gt gtUK, only that I‘m giving it very serious
consideration
gt gt Let‘s have
it.
gt
gtn
bsp -Matt B.
gt gt
gt
gt--------------------------------------------------------
gt gtNOTE: To remove yourself from this
list, send a message
gt gtto
[email protected] from the account
you wish to
gt gtremove, with the line quotunsubscribe
army-listquot in the
gt gtmessage body.
gt
gt___________________________________________________________
______________
gtGet Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail
at http://www.hotmail.com.
gt
gt--------------------------------------------------------
gtNOTE: To remove yourself from this list,
send a message
gtto
[email protected] from the account you
wish to
gtremove, with the line quotunsubscribe
army-listquot in the
gtmessage body.
gt
gt--------------------------------------------------------
gtNOTE: To remove yourself from this list,
send a message
gtto
[email protected] from the account you
wish to
gtremove, with the line quotunsubscribe
army-listquot in the
gtmessage body.
_______________________________________________________________
__________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
--------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send
a message
to
[email protected] from the account you wish
to
remove, with the line quotunsubscribe
army-listquot in the
message body.
_______________________________________________________________
__________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
--------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send
a message
to
[email protected] from the account you wish
to
remove, with the line quotunsubscribe
army-listquot in the
message body.
--------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: To remove yourself from this list, send a message
to
[email protected] from the account you wish to
remove, with the line "unsubscribe army-list" in the
message body.
