daftandbarmy
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Like the Class B staff in the CBG HQ who drift in at 10.00am daily after 'personal PT' but who fall out of a slow jog style Bde HQ run after about 500m...
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Like the Class B staff in the CBG HQ who drift in at 10.00am daily after 'personal PT' but who fall out of a slow jog style Bde HQ run after about 500m...
MilEME09
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Kinda been done, I don't know if it was that high of a level but my units been told any time we are doing a full class A day in garrison we must fo 1hr of PT. Fitness is a harder beast to tackle in the ARes as you can't police people's personal time. Have I seen units cut PT? Yes but usually not fully, just reduce it to twice a week to get some more productivity, I've seen local maintenance here have techs in 1 Saturday a month and some evenings when our VOR rate spiked (mostly due to budget and waiting on parts so when that resolved it was mass work to get back to normal)
daftandbarmy
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Most of my troops in Class A land kept themselves fit, some of them very fit, without having to be paid to do PT. Call it personal and regimental pride or something archaic like that.
Maybe the rest of the CAF could learn something from that
Halifax Tar
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I mean they aren't my only target but that type would be caught in my net.
Admittedly my post was aimed at the Reg Force and fulltime reservists. Class A folks are pretty much on their own. Twice the citizen, right ?
Halifax Tar
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Interest or it's not rating a priority high enough.
Who knows, but it wouldn't be hard to get moving in the right direction.
MilEME09
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Really it allows us to see who has personal initiative
Halifax Tar
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Absolutely.
At times second class citizens. I remember CAF gyms trying to ban class A reservists.
Halifax Tar
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I've never heard of that. But I don't agree with it either, all members should be allowed in a base gym.
I'd even say in locations where no base gym is available there should be some remuneration for local gym memberships. Or those units receive extra funding for some fitness equipment.
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Saying shit like this makes me think you're one of the toxic leaders that causes issues in the CAF...
I'll take a less than optimally fit member over a toxic one every time.
I see my point sailed right over your head.
Again, for those who maybe should do some more reading.
The CAF has a fitness culture issue. The CAF has tried the laissez faire approach for decades, perhaps it's time the CAF as an institution made changes.
Just because some people enjoy going to the gym does not mean all people do. If people don't enjoy it, they will avoid it. If the CAF mandates PT on a regular basis, and enforces it, we will cha get the culture and get people who don't enjoy the gym out to the gym.
Lastly, before another reading comprehension deficient person comes along and decideds to try to personally insult me, I am not advocating for the status quo, I am advocating for the institution to actually prioritize fitness. Though perhaps some don't want to that, so they can continue to feel superior because their interest happens to align with physical fitness.
daftandbarmy
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Halifax Tar
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Two jobs, twice as fit
Sureeeeeee lol
I wish…Two jobs, twice as fit
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Go ahead and take a fat body as a leader and put your life in danger all you want. As for me being toxic, perhaps I am. Perhaps I'm not. Perhaps I clearly do not give a flying fuck what you think. At least one of those "perhaps" statements is true. You can decide for yourself.
As for me, I have to go to the gym. I don't like it, but it's a job requirement.
I'll just leave this here.
Quirky
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You can mandate all the PT you want, but you'll never out train a bad diet. The CAF mandating a diet plan will have more of an impact for the obese than letting them dick around in the gym for an hour a day. The FORCE test itself is decent enough to keep using, however the 5 minutes (or whatever it is now) between sections need to be reduced to 2 minutes. 5 min recovery is excessive IMO.
Halifax Tar
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I'm with you brother.
Personally; I hate gyms, but I love working out. So outside of unit PT (When I was subject to that) I usually do stuff on my own.
I would like to see the CDS come down from on high and simply mandate it. And have all units build it into their work days.
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She shouldn't have to. Unit COs and Formation Commanders ought to do this already. (My Formation Commander already has, as an example).
Halifax Tar
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Unfortunately not all formations and units have this built into their DNA after decades of being the constant start of the day.
The RCN is a great example.
Hence the reason the person with the big girl pants should simply make it so for all formations and units to adapt and improve.
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I cannot argue against that, that's for sure.
CountDC
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I agree fully but the problem I see all the time is that the units will build the PT into their work days and then complain that the office isn't open, their paperwork isn't done fast enough, they call and can never reach anyone, etc. Don't tell me I have to do PT from 0800h to 0930h then complain I am not in the office especially when you are the CO or RSM wanting me to do your job. Also don't schedule an hour plus for PT and then add additional hours of work for me and my staff on top of it.
The CAF has to make up it's mind. Either you want us doing the PT and accept that means less work in a day or accept that your support staff is not going to be at the fitness level you would like.
and how does that affect my comment? Didn't say there wasn't a requirement for some level of fitness, just that the HRA or FSA does not have to be at the same level as the infantry. Nor do we need to have the same Med Cat as things like vision to see long distance is probably a bit more important to the infantry on patrol than the admin sitting in front of a computer. Geo - FSA with an allergy is less of a concern than that infanteer in the field.
Don't recall who mentioned it and missed it when I skimmed back up so will just say - I agree fully and have been saying it for several years now that the Class A reservist in a location without a military gym should be provided some form of support for membership at a local public gym. That said there is (or at least was) a means for units to purchase some equipment for a gym at their location but honestly can't remember how it was done. Of course even if they purchase the equipment they would then argue that they have no room for it as half the armoury is used for messes.
