Replacing the Subs

[brihard]

More importantly (might as well start now!): what do we have twelve of that would be good names for a Sub?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

HMCS Rag the puck until the Americans get busy with something else.

Too wordy?

 

[brihard]

HMCS Rag the puck until the Americans get busy with something else.

Too wordy?

Rag the puck you say… That’s how we get a class named HMCSs Henderson, Gretzky, Hull, Messier, Richard, Lemieux, Vezina etc etc.

 

[lenaitch]

"Canada is taking the first step"

"launching the process to formally engage industry"

"currently in the process of meeting with manufacturers and potential partners"

"A formal Request for Information will be posted in fall 2024"

'Scuz me if I hold my applause.

 

[Maxman1]

More importantly (might as well start now!): what do we have twelve of that would be good names for a Sub?

Could always just name them after fish, like HMCS Grilse and Rainbow (II).

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Could always just name them after fish, like HMCS Grilse and Rainbow (II).

Get with the program: HMCS Them, HMCS Undecided, HMCS Binary, so on and so forth

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Could always just name them after fish, like HMCS Grilse and Rainbow (II).

Or Liberal Scandals - HMCS ADSCAM

Or the wrongfully dismissed - HMCS Wilson-Raybould

Or Smoke and Mirror Plans - HMCS Liberal Housing Strategy

Prominent Sociopaths in the liberal sphere - Damn we will need to buy another dozen boats

 

[GR66]

Strengthened sail, protection for masts and periscope for surfacing through light pan ice and perhaps combining some of the newer battery tech with AIP? Likely a sub might accompany a AOP's with the AOP providing ice recon and ice/weather information to it.

Apparently the Portuguese operated one of their Tridente-Class AIP subs under the arctic ice for 4 days this April...so while an SSN would be ideal and strengthening for surfacing through the ice might be preferable, it appears that neither are deal-breakers for under-ice operations.

Portuguese Diesel-Electric AIP Submarine Just Patrolled Under The Arctic Ice

The Arpão is the first Portuguese sub to operate below the ice and could herald patrols by other advanced conventionally powered NATO boats.

www.twz.com

 

[Underway]

Stealth and lethality in a submarine...what a humdinger of a requirements definition....

I guess that rules out this option.

 

[Underway]

Apparently the Portuguese operated one of their Tridente-Class AIP subs under the arctic ice for 4 days this April...so while an SSN would be ideal and strengthening for surfacing through the ice might be preferable, it appears that neither are deal-breakers for under-ice operations.

Portuguese Diesel-Electric AIP Submarine Just Patrolled Under The Arctic Ice

The Arpão is the first Portuguese sub to operate below the ice and could herald patrols by other advanced conventionally powered NATO boats.

www.twz.com

That is near ice operations. Close enough to run for open water if necessary or probably ice that is thin enough that just about anything can break through.

 

[suffolkowner]

That is near ice operations. Close enough to run for open water if necessary or probably ice that is thin enough that just about anything can break through.

yeah are we talking about traversing the NWP in late Feb or rounding Ellesmere Island?

 

[Underway]

212CD subs have six ordered and are delivering between 29-35 right now. If we were to wait in line we wouldn't get new subs for 12 years minimum. If the Norwegians or Germans were willing to move their production line around we might get one in 32 (say one of the two nations defer theirs to later). The TKMS bid for the Netherlands project did offer a 212CD Expeditionary submarine (same sub, longer with more legs) and they said they could deliver it 2031

Korea is currently producing KSS III block 2 submarines and would be able to deliver 2029/30 if we were to order now.

Netherlands (variant of the Barracude from the French) submarine orders are arriving between 2032 and 2037

C71 from Sweden isn't in production so one might be able to jump on those right away and get submarines delivered in 2-5 years (2028-30).

Japan and Spain are also currently producing submarines and depending on negotiations they may let us jump the que for some subs sooner then later.

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yeah are we talking about traversing the NWP in late Feb or rounding Ellesmere Island?

Neither. Arctic approaches (as stated by the CRNC in his recent interview with the US Naval Institute) are the goal here.

So we're looking in Baffin Bay and the Beaufort Sea. So leave Halifax and take up position at the Eastern entrance to NWP or leave Victoria and do the same at the Western Entrance. And go all over in the summer.

 

[FSTO]

Rag the puck you say… That’s how we get a class named HMCSs Henderson, Gretzky, Hull, Messier, Richard, Lemieux, Vezina etc etc.

NO NAMES OF PEOPLE!!!!

 

[suffolkowner]

212CD subs have six ordered and are delivering between 29-35 right now. If we were to wait in line we wouldn't get new subs for 12 years minimum. If the Norwegians or Germans were willing to move their production line around we might get one in 32 (say one of the two nations defer theirs to later). The TKMS bid for the Netherlands project did offer a 212CD Expeditionary submarine (same sub, longer with more legs) and they said they could deliver it 2031

Korea is currently producing KSS III block 2 submarines and would be able to deliver 2029/30 if we were to order now.

Netherlands submarine orders are arriving between 2032 and 2037

C71 from Sweden isn't in production so one might be able to jump on those right away and get submarines delivered in 2-5 years (2028-30).

Japan and Spain are also currently producing submarines and depending on negotiations they may let us jump the que for some subs sooner then later.

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Neither. Arctic approaches (as stated by the CRNC in his recent interview with the US Naval Institute) are the goal here.

So we're looking in Baffin Bay and the Beaufort Sea. So leave Halifax and take up position at the Eastern entrance to NWP or leave Victoria and do the same at the Western Entrance. And go all over in the summer.

so really shouldnt be an issue. Prioritize range and endurance

 

[GR66]

That is near ice operations. Close enough to run for open water if necessary or probably ice that is thin enough that just about anything can break through.

We'll never hear the details of their ops open source, but from the posts it says under ice ops, not near ice ops.

where she carried out a total of 4 days of immersion under the Arctic ice

No indication though of the thickness of the ice or how far from the ice edge they penetrated. So the question is, how far do we need to go under the ice to defend the arctic approaches?

 

[Czech_pivo]

More importantly (might as well start now!): what do we have twelve of that would be good names for a Sub?

If we get 9 -
1) Upper Canada
2) Lower Canada
3) Rupert's Land
4) PEI
5) NB
6) NS
7) Canada West
8) BC
9) NFLD

 

[MilEME09]

Korea is currently producing KSS III block 2 submarines and would be able to deliver 2029/30 if we were to order now.

Hanwha's yard is under capacity right now and are building subs at a rate of 1 every 4 years. They have the ability to increase capacity to potentially 3 simultaneous builds. If we ordered now, its entirely possible we could have them by 2028 for sea trials.

 

[stoker dave]

If we ordered now,

[Sarcasm] My guess is that there is a huge number of people in the DND bureaucracy with 20 years to retirement. Right now they are thinking of every way to spin out this procurement and ride that gravy train right to the golden handshake.

 

[Spencer100]

Happy Birthday to this thread! 5 years of my originally projected 10 year life span of this thread!

Is it wrong to be proud of this thread I started? LOL.....

129 pages and 2579 posts!

Something in this life that I started may live past me! lol

 

[Maxman1]

HMCS Rainbow was originally USS  Argonaut, so we could name them after CFL teams.

Argonauts
Allouettes
Rough Riders
TigerCats
Blue Bombers
Rough Riders
Elks
Stampeders
Lions

To get twelve, we could add Concordes and Renegades, and either Stallions or Barracudas.