Replacing the Subs

[Colin Parkinson]

Navy asks for 12 hoping to get 9. TB/politicians looks at 4 subs and realize it does not work so will grudgingly offer 6. Bitter fight for the space between.

 

[KevinB]

Wasn't that the purpose behind Iqaluit? At least there it would be accessible without the need for a heavy ice breaker and closer to deep water

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Both…

Iqaluit is Eastern and while relevant to the Northern Atlantic and Eastern Arctic it doesn’t do much for the Western side of Canada’s Arctic.

But yea a fair amount of work would need to get done on Tuk which would be good for the North anyway.

 

[KevinB]

Navy asks for 12 hoping to get 9. TB/politicians looks at 4 subs and realize it does not work so will grudgingly offer 6. Bitter fight for the space between.

You need 8 min, or don’t bother.

I’m of the opinion the money should be spent on other things.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You need 8 min, or don’t bother.

I’m of the opinion the money should be spent on other things.

I will disagree, the subs, particularly if equipped with VLS (KS-III) will give Canada a much bigger effect than a surface only fleet. Plus the subs can be delivered before the bulk of the new surface fleet can be. So as the CFP self-divest, a new sub fleet will take on more importance.

 

[Stoker]

I will disagree, the subs, particularly if equipped with VLS (KS-III) will give Canada a much bigger effect than a surface only fleet. Plus the subs can be delivered before the bulk of the new surface fleet can be. So as the CFP self-divest, a new sub fleet will take on more importance.

Really won't take on any importance if we don't have the crews or do you suggest we use the crews from those divested CPF's?

 

[suffolkowner]

Really won't take on any importance if we don't have the crews or do you suggest we use the crews from those divested CPF's?

another reason 12 is unlikely

 

[Stoker]

another reason 12 is unlikely

I would say 4 would be likely.

 

[Furniture]

Really won't take on any importance if we don't have the crews or do you suggest we use the crews from those divested CPF's?

I suspect that the old boats are a big part of the recruiting problem. There are obviously other issues, but having very old boats isn't helping.

 

[OldSolduer]

Another part of the issue is today’s society. It’s very liberal and self centred and have absolutely zero thoughts about serving the nation. That goes for all three services and recruiting issues.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Really won't take on any importance if we don't have the crews or do you suggest we use the crews from those divested CPF's?

Likely you will get some crews from the CFP's. Having new and effective subs will help the navy recruit for them. Hopefully we will have turned the corner on recruiting by then and have the baseline crews. We will be short of experienced people , but that would eventually resolve itself. A navy with new subs, resupply vessels, CSC and AOP's would be a lot more attractive to people.

 

[Stoker]

Likely you will get some crews from the CFP's. Having new and effective subs will help the navy recruit for them. Hopefully we will have turned the corner on recruiting by then and have the baseline crews. We will be short of experienced people , but that would eventually resolve itself. A navy with new subs, resupply vessels, CSC and AOP's would be a lot more attractive to people.

I can safely say you won't get many volunteering for the submarines from the CPF's, you are deluding yourself if you think they will. Even a massive recruiting effort that there is no sign of you still only will get enough for 4 boats perhaps. In my opinion what we need to do is pay signing bonuses and recruit from other navies.