Replacing the Subs

[Maxman1]

don't forget Bombardier in your list

In all serious, I wish I'd bought shares in them four years ago when they were trading at $7.

 

[Kirkhill]

Give it a 1-3yrs, they will be bought up by someone. We have very very limited ability to grow a company here in Canada to become a global leader in just about anything. When we do manage to do this, the company overwhelmingly tends to be Quebec based. I have alot of respect for Quebec run businesses - I'm looking at you Couche-Tard and Saputo

Don't forget Agropur. The Quebec Dairy Co-op that trades freely overseas and protects its market at home.

 

[stoker dave]

WSP is a Quebec-headquartered engineering, consulting and construction company with 73,000 employees worldwide and revenues of $CAD14.4B.

 

[Underway]

Potential candidate for the CPSP: Euronaval 2024: France's Naval Group's New Blacksword Barracuda Submarine Revolutionizes Underwater Combat Stealth

Not sure how this is different from the sub the Dutch recently selected (Dutch Choose French Design For New Tomahawk-Armed Submarines), which is also a Barracuda derivative, but the specifications seem quite good.

It is the sub the Dutch selected.

 

[Underway]

Canadian Officials Pricing Out Costs for New Sub Fleet - USNI News

The Canadian government is requesting proposals from foreign defense contractors to determine how much it can afford to expand the size of its aging conventionally-powered submarine fleet. Canada first mentioned the possibility of seeking military off-the-shelf submarines and maintenance...

news.usni.org

 

[Good2Golf]

lol, not at all. Same with SNC Lavalin AtkisRéalis.

 

[Lumber]

- I'm looking at you Couche-Tard and Saputo

Anyone else see "Saputo" and think it's a Japanese chain? Or is that just me?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Anyone else see "Saputo" and think it's a Japanese chain? Or is that just me?

Just you.

Saputo was a household name for Italo-Canadians who wanted a taste of home without paying the import costs.

 

[calculus]

Interesting. Vice-Admiral Topshee is visiting Hanwha.

Hanwha Ocean welcomes the Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy - Naval News

The Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy, visited Hanwha Ocean's Geoje shipyard and discussed Canada's upcoming submarine acquisition project.

www.navalnews.com

I'm not aware of him having visited any of the other potential suppliers, but perhaps this is the beginning of a tour to do so?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Just a stupid question here: If the Lieutenant on the right of the picture is the Admiral's ADC, then who the hell is the Captain on the left the ADC to?

 

[Pelorus]

Just a stupid question here: If the Lieutenant on the right of the picture is the Admiral's ADC, then who the hell is the Captain on the left the ADC to?

Hard to tell from the quality of the picture, but I'm going to guess that you're actually looking at a Colonel on the left, likely the Korean defence attache.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

OK. That would make sense. Thanks.

 

[MacNav63]

Hard to tell from the quality of the picture, but I'm going to guess that you're actually looking at a Colonel on the left, likely the Korean defence attache.

And there are the red tabs.

 

[Underway]

Hard to tell from the quality of the picture, but I'm going to guess that you're actually looking at a Colonel on the left, likely the Korean defence attache.

I think you're correct. The 2IC for the defence attache is usually a Cdr position as well (as they provide the naval insight).

Interesting. Vice-Admiral Topshee is visiting Hanwha.

Hanwha Ocean welcomes the Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy - Naval News

The Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy, visited Hanwha Ocean's Geoje shipyard and discussed Canada's upcoming submarine acquisition project.

www.navalnews.com

I'm not aware of him having visited any of the other potential suppliers, but perhaps this is the beginning of a tour to do so?

Pretty slick that Hanwha staff all have Legion poppies on. These folks are really rolling out the full effort and shows extreme attention to detail. I also agree that they will probably be able to meet the IOC well before the deadline. Wouldn't be surprised if they let us jump in their own production line to get the first sub in place quickly.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

And there are the red tabs.

Well, I am a sailor from the heydays before Executive Curl was back, and pips and crowns and everything nice for soldiers: Ain't got a clue what red tabs on an Army uniform mean. Moreover, Army uniforms are so cluttered with stuff that I bet Army people don't even know what they all are.

I agree with Underway: The Koreans would be so happy at having an external customer for its subs, especially from a Western democracy, that they would bend over backwards to overdeliver (and unlike other yards that shall remain nameless, you probably wouldn't find anything in the plumbing or ducting that doesn't belong - and everything would run smoothly the first time it is used).

 

[Kirkhill]

Around which 95th percentile humunculus was the sub designed?

 

[Kirkhill]

From the Korean announcement above.

Hanwha Ocean recently submitted a proposal in response to Canada’s Request for Information (RFI) for the CPSP and has been collaborating with local Canadian industry to lay foundation in advancing submarine maintenance and technology transfer initiatives. Last May, Hanwha Ocean was the only company from the Republic of Korea to have participated in CANSEC 2024, Canada’s largest defence exhibition, where it showcased the outstanding capabilities of the KSS-III Batch-II

Not the first Korean-Canadian joint venture.

Seaspan teams with Korean shipbuilding firm

Seaspan has signed a deal with Korea's STX Offshore and Shipbuilding Company to help upgrade its facilities after being awarded the $8-billion federal contract to build non-combat vessels.

vancouver.citynews.ca

By the way STX was Kvaerner and is now Vard.

 

[Kirkhill]

Vard AS – Store norske leksikon

Vard AS er et norsk skipsbyggingskonsern som ble opprettet i 1998 under navnet Aker Yards. Aker Yards ble en del av det koreanskeide STX Europe fra 2008, og senere skilt ut og børsnotert som et eget selskap på børsen i Singapore under navnet STX OSV i 2010.

snl.no

Vard/Aker/STX/Kvaerner designed and built the Svalbard and did the preliminary DELEMS work on the AOPS.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I think you're correct. The 2IC for the defence attache is usually a Cdr position as well (as they provide the naval insight).


Pretty slick that Hanwha staff all have Legion poppies on. These folks are really rolling out the full effort and shows extreme attention to detail. I also agree that they will probably be able to meet the IOC well before the deadline. Wouldn't be surprised if they let us jump in their own production line to get the first sub in place quickly.

That leapt out at me as well. The SK are experienced defense system sellers and exporters. They are not heavily protectionists about their industry and will adapt their programs and design to meet the customers needs. The Japanese have no experience in this part of the industry. The Germans are likley to rigid and the French unreliable.

If we get the KS-III, I foresee South Korea becoming a significant defense partner, who would help us beef up our defense industry and supply us with various equipment.

 

[Underway]

That leapt out at me as well. The SK are experienced defense system sellers and exporters. They are not heavily protectionists about their industry and will adapt their programs and design to meet the customers needs. The Japanese have no experience in this part of the industry. The Germans are likley to rigid and the French unreliable.

If we get the KS-III, I foresee South Korea becoming a significant defense partner, who would help us beef up our defense industry and supply us with various equipment.

Germans were very accomodating with JSS. I can see a Korean submarine cooperation and a German surface fleet cooperation maybe with the MCDV "replacement". See my post elsewhere on the Germans using CMS 330 so it goes both ways.