Replacing the Subs

[Underway]

Not sure if the VLS are configured for US munitions, so far only their own weapons. But we could have them built with US designed VLS, but that also massively increases the amount of ITAR goods in the subs. At present I am not sure if they have any ITAR items aboard?

If we got them they would. Comms.

 

[Underway]

Carney quoted today talking about subs. Basically stated that we won't be getting a decision on them until 27'/ 28' timeframe. Seems to me the project will be going to competition after all.

And it means that speed is not as important for the submarines project as maybe we thought (or was that hoped?)

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Carney quoted today talking about subs. Basically stated that we won't be getting a decision on them until 27'/ 28' timeframe. Seems to me the project will be going to competition after all.

And it means that speed is not as important for the submarines project as maybe we thought (or was that hoped?)

The ink isn't dry on the ReArm Europe agreement. My bet is this might be a "let's see what the offers are" move, before signing on for a deal that will be expedited.

My hope is that the delay is also coming with a drastic cut to bloated procurement timelines.

Who knows

 

[Underway]

The ink isn't dry on the ReArm Europe agreement. My bet is this might be a "let's see what the offers are" move, before signing on for a deal that will be expedited.

My hope is that the delay is also coming with a drastic cut to bloated procurement timelines.

Who knows

I'm not worried about procurement timelines, I'm mainly concerned with
a) build timelines
b) build capacity
c) choosing a political submarine instead of the right one for the strategic needs

There is going to be some natural friction between Re-arm Europe and Re-arm Canada.
I have picked a favourite submarine but talking to the submariners they would love to get a German sub as well.

 

[Genetk44]

I'm not worried about procurement timelines, I'm mainly concerned with
a) build timelines
b) build capacity
c) choosing a political submarine instead of the right one for the strategic needs

There is going to be some natural friction between Re-arm Europe and Re-arm Canada.
I have picked a favourite submarine but talking to the submariners they would love to get a German sub as well.

There was an interesting article some months ago explaining some of the advantages of the new Spanish sub over the German subs…..my memory is a bit foggy but alot of them seemed to be about better power generation and crew environmental redundancy as well as longer cruise ability. I’ll have to try and find it. It did make me think that the Spanish sub might be a better fit for Canada than the German sub depending on how its first few years of operation went. I still lean towards the Korean one personally.

 

[KevinB]

There was an interesting article some months ago explaining some of the advantages of the new Spanish sub over the German subs…..my memory is a bit foggy but alot of them seemed to be about better power generation and crew environmental redundancy as well as longer cruise ability. I’ll have to try and find it. It did make me think that the Spanish sub might be a better fit for Canada than the German sub depending on how its first few years of operation went. I still lean towards the Korean one personally.

I still think you’d all be better off in a SSN simply due to the coastline and oceans you have.

 

[suffolkowner]

Carney quoted today talking about subs. Basically stated that we won't be getting a decision on them until 27'/ 28' timeframe. Seems to me the project will be going to competition after all.

And it means that speed is not as important for the submarines project as maybe we thought (or was that hoped?)

wait too long and someone else might slip in the production line before us. We arent the only one looking for subs

 

[Colin Parkinson]

wait too long and someone else might slip in the production line before us. We arent the only one looking for subs

Australia is making noises about alternatives to the AUKUS deal, and mentioning SK as the primary option.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Australia is making noises about alternatives to the AUKUS deal, and mentioning SK as the primary option.

Yup, we spend too much time thinking about asking the pretty girl to dance that by the time we get around to it she’ll already be married and pregnant.

 

[suffolkowner]

worst case Poland orders some 212s and Australia some KSS3 and we are another 5 yrs back in the order book

 

[Czech_pivo]

worst case Poland orders some 212s and Australia some KSS3 and we are another 5 yrs back in the order book

No, worst case both Poland and Australia orders the SK subs and we get our first sub in 2036/37 and the last (only 10) in like 2055.

 

[suffolkowner]

No, worst case both Poland and Australia orders the SK subs and we get our first sub in 2036/37 and the last (only 10) in like 2055.

well if they both go SK it theoretically leaves the German option open. Is 2036 the first opening on the German line?

 

[YZT580]

I still think you’d all be better off in a SSN simply due to the coastline and oceans you have.

first delivery 2050 after England, Australia, and U.S. as opposed to an 85% solution delivered in just a couple of years with complete delivery by 2035

 

[Colin Parkinson]

first delivery 2050 after England, Australia, and U.S. as opposed to an 85% solution delivered in just a couple of years with complete delivery by 2035

Well there is the French option for a nuke sub. To make it super simple, do all the refueling there.

 

[deepblue202]

Well there is the French option for a nuke sub. To make it super simple, do all the refueling there.

Order 9.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Order 9.

If you order 10, you get free baguettes and wine for a year.

 

[Czech_pivo]

well if they both go SK it theoretically leaves the German option open. Is 2036 the first opening on the German line?

Yes believe so and then it’s a long wait because they have to complete the No Ger subs

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well there is the French option for a nuke sub. To make it super simple, do all the refueling there.

I think French nuc subs only have a 30yrs life span, too short for us. We need 40+yrs out of a boat, lol.

 

[Prairie canuck]

If you order 10, you get free baguettes and wine for a year.

What? No fromage? Zut alors!

 

[Halifax Tar]

I still think you’d all be better off in a SSN simply due to the coastline and oceans you have.

I agree.