Replacing the Subs

[Cloud Cover]

Also about CPSP - apparently the Dutch and Germans were not able to persuade the US to resume production of tube launched Tomahawk, even for a fairly large order for their new sub designs.

So if Canada does want a SLCM capability in CPSP, it will have to be vertical launch or some other SLCM.

Also leaves one to wonder how all the existing SSN that use Tomahawk SLCM tube launched are going to fair.

Perhaps there is a large stockpile.

 

[Underway]

Also about CPSP - apparently the Dutch and Germans were not able to persuade the US to resume production of tube launched Tomahawk, even for a fairly large order for their new sub designs.

So if Canada does want a SLCM capability in CPSP, it will have to be vertical launch or some other SLCM.

Also leaves one to wonder how all the existing SSN that use Tomahawk SLCM tube launched are going to fair.

Perhaps there is a large stockpile.

Sounds like a gap in the market. Quick get Magellan Aerospace on the phone!

I wonder if tube launched will take away manufacturing from other tomahawk variants that the US deems more important.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation other than just “no”, such as “no, you’re ugly” or “no, go buy something from the French”.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Watch this

Australia is really starting to come around that they are in trouble with Aukus.

We need to move quick on our decision for our dozen - whether the SK subs for the GerNor subs, because if we wait, the Ozzie’s will move first and we’ll be last in line to get them.

 

[OldSolduer]

Watch this

Australia is really starting to come around that they are in trouble with Aukus.

We need to move quick on our decision for our dozen - whether the SK subs for the GerNor subs, because if we wait, the Ozzie’s will move first and we’ll be last in line to get them.

Ding ding ding boink ding.

Hear that?

That's us kicking the can down the road.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Ding ding ding boink ding.

Hear that?

That's us kicking the can down the road.

Maybe.
I think we are not saying/doing anything militarily spending wise until some sort of tariff agreement with the US is in place. Nothing to piss of Trump anymore than we have to.

 

[YZT580]

Maybe.
I think we are not saying/doing anything militarily spending wise until some sort of tariff agreement with the US is in place. Nothing to piss of Trump anymore than we have to.

With regards to Subs, do you think he'd care? We aren't going to go nuclear, ever and even if we did by the time we took delivery of number one anything we bought today would be up for replacement. You are looking at 20 years for the first option and the U.S. has no facilities available to build a fleet.

 

[Czech_pivo]

With regards to Subs, do you think he'd care? We aren't going to go nuclear, ever and even if we did by the time we took delivery of number one anything we bought today would be up for replacement. You are looking at 20 years for the first option and the U.S. has no facilities available to build a fleet.

I just believe in reducing the amount of variables available to piss him off.

 

[stoker dave]

I somehow feel Canada will be able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in this one.

I can see that.

Canada picks a supplier of submarines and says "yes, exactly that, don't change a thing".

Then some commander in the sub acquisition project decides that he needs to leave his mark on things to get promoted. So he says "yes, exactly that, don't change a thing. Except for this one thing: make the sub longer. Oh, and make it have a different power plant. And have it fire different weapons. Other than that, don't change a thing".

These changes cause a significant delay in production. They create huge change orders that cost billions. Because the changes were not properly integrated with the design in the first place, the sub never works exactly as specified and fails to meet operational requirements.

It's like I can predict the future.

 

[Furniture]

I can see that.

Canada picks a supplier of submarines and says "yes, exactly that, don't change a thing".

Then some commander in the sub acquisition project decides that he needs to leave his mark on things to get promoted. So he says "yes, exactly that, don't change a thing. Except for this one thing: make the sub longer. Oh, and make it have a different power plant. And have it fire different weapons. Other than that, don't change a thing".

These changes cause a significant delay in production. They create huge change orders that cost billions. Because the changes were not properly integrated with the design in the first place, the sub never works exactly as specified and fails to meet operational requirements.

It's like I can predict the future.

Next time I swing by my old office, I'll ask the Cdr and Capt working the project if they have any plans for that...

Contrary to common belief, the people in Ottawa are generally trying their best to make a terrible system work, with essentially no training in exactly how the system is supposed to work.