Replacing the Subs

[Eaglelord17]

One big thing I was looking at with the two designs is the German sub will require half the manning the Korean subs do. That is a serious factor for us considering how difficult it is to get people into the sub service in the first place.

 

[OldSolduer]

God, we were stupid back then, weren't we?

Back then? Still….

 

[Czech_pivo]

One big thing I was looking at with the two designs is the German sub will require half the manning the Korean subs do. That is a serious factor for us considering how difficult it is to get people into the sub service in the first place.

I thought that the crewing sizes were about the exact same, maybe the SK requires like 3 more bodies than the German boat.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Enjoy!

Navy commander says Canada could end up with subs from two different suppliers​

Vice-Admiral Angus Topshee says the Royal Canadian Navy could end up with submarines supplied by both companies vying for Ottawa’s lucrative sub procurement contract — and there could be advantages to diversifying the fleet.

I wonder if this comment is teeing us up to running 2 fighter fleets......

Navy commander says Canada could end up with subs from two different suppliers

Vice-Admiral Angus Topshee says the Royal Canadian Navy could end up with submarines supplied by both companies vying for Ottawa’s lucrative sub procurement contract — and there could be advantages to diversifying the fleet.

www.ctvnews.ca

Topshee is quite the pot stirrer as an outsider looking in.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Korean boats for the west coast and German boats for the East Coast?

I mean- why not? They are essentially two separate Navies already…

 

[Halifax Tar]

Korean boats for the west coast and German boats for the East Coast?

I mean- why not? They are essentially two separate Navies already…

Left and Right coasts lol.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Left and Right coasts lol.

I thought that they are both 'Left' coasts, no?

 

[Kirkhill]

If we go with the German CD option, we have a guaranteed delay of at least 12 years.

Probably 10 years for the next one....

That feels in line with this government's direction of travel. It never seems to say no. Now the response is "eventually".

 

[PHughes]

If we go with the German CD option, we have a guaranteed delay of at least 12 years.

Probably 10 years for the next one....

any data to support this statement?

 

[GK .Dundas]

That feels in line with this government's direction of travel. It never seems to say no. Now the response is "eventually".

More accurately, " in the fullness of time ."

 

[NavyShooter]

any data to support this statement?

You missed the "CD" - 12 years....implying an attempt at humour about getting a Canadian Forces Decoration at 12 years....with following clasps at 10 years....

sigh

I'll take my Military Dad jokes elsewhere...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It was a good joke, but I have only had 1/2 a cup of coffee, so the brain missed the connection....

 

[PHughes]

Good one

 

[Furniture]

Bigger boat needs more power to move around, if a smaller boat meets the mission spec, the extra boat mass is just aburden

How much is TKMS paying you?

 

[Maxman1]

One big thing I was looking at with the two designs is the German sub will require half the manning the Korean subs do. That is a serious factor for us considering how difficult it is to get people into the sub service in the first place.

They actually have the same crew requirements. The KSS-III simply has extra bunk space.

 

[PHughes]

How much is TKMS paying you?

The same amount HO is

 

[Czech_pivo]

More info on the recent comments from Topshee

Splitting Canada’s submarine fleet could endanger procurement project, experts warn​

Splitting Canada’s submarine fleet could endanger procurement project, experts warn

OTTAWA — Multiple defence experts warn that splitting Canada's lucrative submarine contract between two suppliers would create risks for the navy — and likely would weaken Ottawa's negotiating position. Paul Mitchell, a professor of defence studies at ...

everythinggp.com

 

[Underway]

If we go with the German CD option, we have a guaranteed delay of at least 12 years.

Probably 10 years for the next one....

Unless its a government to government contract. Norway and Germany could agree to say give Canada boat three of their build, and then six etc... So we end up with a few boats early and a bunch later on.

If its a Canada to TKMS contract yes, we'll likely have to wait for the first boat 2034ish, with IOC 2035.

 

[Furniture]

Unless its a government to government contract. Norway and Germany could agree to say give Canada boat three of their build, and then six etc... So we end up with a few boats early and a bunch later on.

If its a Canada to TKMS contract yes, we'll likely have to wait for the first boat 2034ish, with IOC 2035.

That also assumes that governments don't change between now and delivery... If Germany says, "we want all our boats now, Canada can wait", since TKMS will be making them in Germany, Canada will wait.

Going with an option that has the production capacity to build our boats faster from the start means we reduce the risk of wait times caused by future political shifts.

The same amount HO is

Normally when I see someone so negative about one thing, and full of praise for the other, they have a motivation. A perfect example is car salesmen...

 

[Underway]

That also assumes that governments don't change between now and delivery... If Germany says, "we want all our boats now, Canada can wait", since TKMS will be making them in Germany, Canada will wait.

Possibly. Most governments keep their foreign relationships relatively stable over time, particularly where billions in military contracts are at stake. If Germany were to do something like that (outside of an emergency) they would lose their international market for submarines.

Even with a contract with a company a government could do that. Break it and "steal" the boat.