Replacing the Subs

[Retired AF Guy]

Nothing out of Poland. Their PM tweeted 2 weeks ago that a decision was imminent and then nothing.

Seems to be have been some confusion about that. He said there would be a decision in a week and then went around and said Poland would make her choice before the end of the year.

And I think if Poland chooses the U212 CD (and most open source reporting seems to indicate that the European manufacturers have the edge over SK) then TKMS will drop out of the CPSP.

 

[PHughes]

A very informative discussion . . .

 

[PHughes]

Seems to be have been some confusion about that. He said there would be a decision in a week and then went around and said Poland would make her choice before the end of the year.

And I think if Poland chooses the U212 CD (and most open source reporting seems to indicate that the European manufacturers have the edge over SK) then TKMS will drop out of the CPSP.

Or TKMS would look at all the nations under contract (Norway, Poland) and shipyards that currently build Type 21(X) boats like Italy and optimize a global production chain that does final assembly of boats in Germany.

And Canada, a producer of MK 48 torpedo tubes (size format compatible with 212 CD tubes would be an excellent fit in that global production chain

Maybe

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Or TKMS would look at all the nations under contract (Norway, Poland) and shipyards that currently build Type 21(X) boats like Italy and optimize a global production chain that does final assembly of boats in Germany.

And Canada, a producer of MK 48 torpedo tubes (size format compatible with 212 CD tubes would be an excellent fit in that global production chain

Maybe

Mind you, if we went with KSS, it's likley the same companies could make the tubes for the later batches as well.

 

[Czech_pivo]

This may be something for us to keep a very careful eye on -

China targets five U.S. subsidiaries of South Korea’s Hanwha Ocean, sending shares down 8%​

China sanctioned five U.S. subsidiaries of South Korean shipbuilder Hanwha Ocean, escalating tensions with Washington.

The sanctioned subsidiaries are Hanwha Shipping LLC, Hanwha Philly Shipyard Inc., Hanwha Ocean USA International LLC, Hanwha Shipping Holdings LLC, and HS USA Holdings Corp, according to a statement from China’s Commerce Ministry.

“Hanwha’s subsidiaries in the U.S. have assisted and supported the U.S. government’s probes and measures against Chinese maritime, logistics and shipbuilding sectors. China is strongly dissatisfied and resolutely opposes it,” a spokesperson at Mofcom said in a separate statement, translated by CNBC.

The order, effective immediately, will prohibit Chinese organizations and individuals from doing business with the sanctioned companies, the ministry said, adding that the move was intended to safeguard China’s sovereignty and security.

One can easily remove the words 'U.S. government's probes and ........' and add in 'the Canadian government's probes and' -

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/14/china-sanctions-five-us-subsidiaries-of-south-koreas-hanwha-ocean-over-their-ties-with-washington.html

 

[Rifleman62]

China targets five U.S. subsidiaries of South Korea’s Hanwha Ocean​

And Eby is purchasing Ferries from China.

 

[Czech_pivo]

China targets five U.S. subsidiaries of South Korea’s Hanwha Ocean​

And Eby is purchasing Ferries from China.

Hopefully those on here who are active CAF members and who may in fact be actively engaged on the submarine contract will see the above article and will factor it into the current decision making process.

 

[calculus]

Dodged a bullet:

Sweden’s A26 Submarine Programme Faces New Delays - Naval News

Sweden’s next-generation A26 Blekinge-class submarine programme has been hit by another major delay and soaring costs, pushing the first delivery to 2031 and raising total expenses to 25 billion SEK (2.3 billion EUR).

www.navalnews.com