Perhaps they are looking beyond the Baltic as the real need for their subs?
My guess is there is a real hard internal debate in their version of NDHQ and Cabinet, as to the role of their subs in the future and what will be the role of Poland going forward. They are also weighing their piggy bank and seeing if there is enough to go around to all the military related projects on their plate.
It’s crunch time for Poland to pick a new submarine design
Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s 2025 deadline nears for picking a winning proposal.www.defensenews.com
It’s crunch time for Poland to pick a new submarine design
Tusk said the planned contract is to be signed at government level, meaning a greater level of political partnership with the offering nation can be expected.
This will be a decision, given the scale of the investment in our security, that we will make government-to-government,” the prime minister said.
A spokesperson for the Polish ministry told Defense News last May its experts assigned the highest scores to the offers placed by Germany, Italy and Sweden. That said, while these three bids received the highest scores, the remaining three offers have not been discarded, according to the spokesperson.
“We have prepared an industrial cooperation offer to Poland that involves a transfer of technology and cooperation with PGZ and the Nauta shipyard to set up a 100% local, independent maintenance, repair, and operations capacity in Poland,” Hyunrok Park, a manager from Hanwha Ocean’s Naval Ship Overseas Business Team, told Defense News.
Hanwha Ocean hopes to secure Poland as the first export market for its KSS-III-class sub, all the while setting sights on Canada and Saudi Arabia, among others.
Canada has shortlisted Germany’s thyssenKrupp Marine Systems, which is also bidding for the Orca program, and Hanwha Ocean as the two potential suppliers for the nation’s program to purchase up to 12 conventionally-powered submarines.
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Some of the offset examples are strange, they are talking about adopting CMS-330 for the German Navy even though they have been actively interested in the system for years now? Same with the pledge to buy a bunch of Bombardier Global business jets, the Germans already have some and have been planning for a bit to purchase potentially some Global based AWACS platforms too. Rolling your already planned purchases into this deal as "offsets" rings a bit hollow, especially when the Koreans have been absolutely running circles around you for months with their partnerships/offerings.Meanwhile, the charm offensive from the "other" contender was in full view the last few days here in Ottawa:
Germany, Norway advocate for Canada to join Type 212CD submarine project - Naval News
During his trip to Canada on Monday, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, together with his Norwegian counterpart Tore Sandvik, advocated that Ottawa participate in the German-Norwegian Type 212CD submarine project.
I hope our negotiators are equally skilled in business acumen or the aRt of the deaL.
I can't tell if they are sucking or blowing or trying to do both?
They could be saying the quiet part out loud. In order to get foreign military sales approved, you often need to obtain offsets. But, I imagine it's supposed to be new offsets. Germany could be saying something like "While we are going to give you $xxx for CMS-330 no matter what, if you go with our sub, you can do some accounting juju using these numbers to obtain those required offsets . Can you so easily do the same with Korea?"
I had the same thought. And what on earth for?
The article states that Poland wants cruise missile capability. That leaves the Shortfin and KSS-III. Problem awith the Shortfin is Naval group already has their hands full with Netherlands Orka and Suffren and 3G class. That leaves SK.
Blowing smoke up ones ass was a regularly used medical procedure in the late 1700's thought to revive people near death(especially drowning victims). Was considered preferable(by the giver) to blowing air into their lungs via the mouth. Now it is only employed by people trying to sell you things.
I had heard the term “Blowing smoke up ones ass” but never understood the origin till now,
