Replacing the Subs

[Halifax Tar]

There's no way we're switching to nuke boats.

Which is a GD shame.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Agreed.
For now.
But, if we go with the SK boats and the relationship turns out to be a solid one, mutually beneficial for both sides. Solid investment on both the WC and EC in terms of a supply/maintenance facilities and job numbers and lets say the SK partner with Cameco for their uranium or with Ontario Power for nuc knowledge going into their new boats. Then 20-25yrs down the road when it comes time to begin the planning to replace our existing 12 SK conventional subs, we very well could go down the path of SK nuc boats, conventionally armed.

Please remember we were well down the path of getting 12 nuc subs under Mulroney in the early 90s. If the world continues down the path of its current ugliness and the US continues to move away from being our crutch, tough decisions will need to be made 20-25yrs down the road.

If the SK's build nuc boats, I'm going out on a limb and will predict that Japan will be next up and then the Germans. Who will be left to produce us a conventional sub in 25yrs? The Swedes? The Spanish? India? It very well could be that the entire western market of conventional subs will be dried up and gone 25yrs from now.

Germany won’t ever get nuke boats. 2 years ago they made IMHO the stupidest mistake by closing thei last nuclear power station in their knee jerk reaction to the Fukushima tidal wave mess.

 

[stoker dave]

tough decisions will need to be made 20-25yrs down the road.

That is not unreasonable.

If you want to plan for nuclear powered vessels 20 or 25 years in the future, you need to start right now developing a culture of 'procedural compliance'. The documented plan is the law. No shortcuts. No workarounds. No 'adapt, improvise and overcome'. No rewarding someone for taking initiative to solve a problem in a creative way. Every single thing you do is done by the book. No one has the authority to order any activity that is not authorized by procedure.

That is the culture required to operate a nuclear power plant. It will take 20 - 25 years for that culture to permeate the navy. Start now if you are serious.

 

[Lumber]

That is not unreasonable.

If you want to plan for nuclear powered vessels 20 or 25 years in the future, you need to start right now developing a culture of 'procedural compliance'. The documented plan is the law. No shortcuts. No workarounds. No 'adapt, improvise and overcome'. No rewarding someone for taking initiative to solve a problem in a creative way. Every single thing you do is done by the book. No one has the authority to order any activity that is not authorized by procedure.

That is the culture required to operate a nuclear power plant. It will take 20 - 25 years for that culture to permeate the navy. Start now if you are serious.

No "MBS Lite" on nuke boats.

 

[Genetk44]

Unfortunately at no time in the past that I can remember, and I admit in advance that my memory may be faulty and that I stand to be corrected, has the government or the armed forces of Canada ever made a concerted effort to explain to the civilian population of the country, the difference between nuclear- powered subs/ships and nuclear-armed subs/ships. So at the end of the day the average person very often conflates the two with the expected reaction.

 

[Lumber]

Unfortunately at no time in the past that I can remember, and I admit in advance that my memory may be faulty and that I stand to be corrected, has the government or the armed forces of Canada ever made a concerted effort to explain to the civilian population of the country, the difference between nuclear- powered subs/ships and nuclear-armed subs/ships. So at the end of the day the average person very often conflates the two with the expected reaction.

I mean, technically you could consider a nuke boat just a really large nuclear torpedo. "Every SSN can be a nuclear torpedo... once!"

 

[Genetk44]

I mean, technically you could consider a nuke boat just a really large nuclear torpedo. "Every SSN can be a nuclear torpedo... once!"

I thought that was pretty funny. On the other hand I suspect it is technically incorrect….I am not a nuclear physicist.