Because it is a typical risk adverse mindset in the civil service with hoping to get benefits from both parties, without any thought to the operational issues.
I fear that this kind of back-peddling to try and maximize non-defence related investment guarantees and the drawn out Gripen saga could sour foreign defence contractors on doing business with Canada.
Ottawa weighs splitting submarine contract between Europe and South Korea, sources say
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Ottawa weighs splitting submarine contract between Europe and South Korea, sources say
Robert FifeOttawa Bureau Chief
Ottawa
Published 43 minutes ago
Canada is considering splitting a multibillion-dollar contract for 12 new submarines by buying an equal number from Europe and South Korea as Ottawa rearms to confront the challenges of a more dangerous world, two senior government sources say.
Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, in partnership with the government of Norway, and Seoul-based Hanwha Ocean are short-listed for the contract that could cost Canada upward of $24-billion.
Final proposals for the contract to build 12 diesel-electric submarines were submitted to the federal government on Monday. A decision is expected to be rendered by April 4 at the earliest.
The new modern fleet of submarines would replace the Royal Canadian Navy’s current aging fleet of secondhand Victoria-class boats.
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The senior government sources say Ottawa is looking at buying six Type-212CD submarines to be built by Germany’s TKMS. Those submarines would patrol the Atlantic Coast, the sources said. Ottawa would also acquire six Hanwha KSS-III Batch-II submarines. The sources say those submarines would be located on the Pacific coast and could be deployed to the Indo-Pacific region.
The Globe and Mail is not identifying the two government sources who were not authorized to discuss details of the competition.
Part of Hanwha’s pitch is that some of its submarines are already built and in the water. Additional submarines are currently being constructed. The TKMS submarines are not yet in the water, although construction has started.
Hanwha said it could deliver the first boat by 2032 and four additional boats by 2035. TKMS has said the company could deliver its first submarine well in advance of 2035.
Defence experts have raised concerns that splitting Ottawa’s submarine contract could complicate supply chains and parts inventories. In September, Prime Minister Mark Carney also raised doubts about a mixed fleet, saying you get “many efficiencies in economies of having one fleet.”
The two government sources said Ottawa will assess the bids, including whether to split the contract, on what best serves the country’s economic and military needs.
A final decision involves more than just acquiring new submarines. Mr. Carney is looking for greater trade and economic ties with Europe and Asia as a way to reduce reliance on the United States.
The sources say the benefit of splitting the contract is that Canada would reap industrial benefits from both bidders, including possible investments in this country’s auto industry. Canada’s auto sector has been hit hard by U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs, as has the country’s steel and aluminum industries.
Both Hanwha and Germany’s TKMS are trying to make their proposals more attractive by increasing their commitments to benefit Canada, including local jobs and manufacturing and supply contracts.
Canada’s submarine choice could break tradition, embrace South Korea in Indo-Pacific shift
Ottawa has asked the governments of South Korea and Germany to make auto industry production pledges in Canada as part of their pitches.
During a visit to Ottawa last month, Germany’s Minister of Economic Affairs, Katherina Reiche, said her country’s auto industry is keen on expanding its presence in Canada and is in the midst of discussions about doing so.
Volkswagen has already committed to building an electric-vehicle battery factory in St. Thomas, Ont., through its PowerCo subsidiary.
Ms. Reiche said the German auto industry interest is independent of Berlin’s joint bid with Norway to supply Canada with submarines. But the minister acknowledged that Berlin has been talking to its auto industry.
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In January, Hyundai Motor Group executive chair Chung Euisun visited Ottawa at the same time as a high-level South Korean government delegation. The South Koreans signed a memorandum of understanding intended to bring the country’s auto-sector manufacturing and investment to Canada.
The non-binding MOU pledges both sides to working together to promote the manufacturing of autos, electric vehicles, batteries and hydrogen-powered vehicles.
Germany and Norway are also making the case that they are NATO members and their submarines would be interoperational. South Korea, which is a global powerhouse in shipbuilding, is hoping to expand into submarine manufacturing. Winning even a partial Canadian submarine contract would be a strategic turning point for Seoul’s efforts to become a major player in the arms market.
Not sure who's going to want to participate in Canadian defence procurement when it seems nobody can be an actual winner and the results are broken up part and parcel into conciliation prizes to all the final participants.
This would be such a disastrous choice to make for training and logisticsOttawa weighs splitting submarine contract between Europe and South Korea, sources say
Final proposals were received on Monday and the government is set to make procurement decision by April 4 at earliest
Ottawa weighs splitting submarine contract between Europe and South Korea, sources say
Robert FifeOttawa Bureau Chief
Ottawa
Published 43 minutes ago
Canada is considering splitting a multibillion-dollar contract for 12 new submarines by buying an equal number from Europe and South Korea as Ottawa rearms to confront the challenges of a more dangerous world, two senior government sources say.
Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, in partnership with the government of Norway, and Seoul-based Hanwha Ocean are short-listed for the contract that could cost Canada upward of $24-billion.
Final proposals for the contract to build 12 diesel-electric submarines were submitted to the federal government on Monday. A decision is expected to be rendered by April 4 at the earliest.
The new modern fleet of submarines would replace the Royal Canadian Navy’s current aging fleet of secondhand Victoria-class boats.
German submarine maker partners with AI firm Cohere in bid to build next Canadian fleet
The senior government sources say Ottawa is looking at buying six Type-212CD submarines to be built by Germany’s TKMS. Those submarines would patrol the Atlantic Coast, the sources said. Ottawa would also acquire six Hanwha KSS-III Batch-II submarines. The sources say those submarines would be located on the Pacific coast and could be deployed to the Indo-Pacific region.
The Globe and Mail is not identifying the two government sources who were not authorized to discuss details of the competition.
Part of Hanwha’s pitch is that some of its submarines are already built and in the water. Additional submarines are currently being constructed. The TKMS submarines are not yet in the water, although construction has started.
Hanwha said it could deliver the first boat by 2032 and four additional boats by 2035. TKMS has said the company could deliver its first submarine well in advance of 2035.
Defence experts have raised concerns that splitting Ottawa’s submarine contract could complicate supply chains and parts inventories. In September, Prime Minister Mark Carney also raised doubts about a mixed fleet, saying you get “many efficiencies in economies of having one fleet.”
The two government sources said Ottawa will assess the bids, including whether to split the contract, on what best serves the country’s economic and military needs.
A final decision involves more than just acquiring new submarines. Mr. Carney is looking for greater trade and economic ties with Europe and Asia as a way to reduce reliance on the United States.
The sources say the benefit of splitting the contract is that Canada would reap industrial benefits from both bidders, including possible investments in this country’s auto industry. Canada’s auto sector has been hit hard by U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs, as has the country’s steel and aluminum industries.
Both Hanwha and Germany’s TKMS are trying to make their proposals more attractive by increasing their commitments to benefit Canada, including local jobs and manufacturing and supply contracts.
Canada’s submarine choice could break tradition, embrace South Korea in Indo-Pacific shift
Ottawa has asked the governments of South Korea and Germany to make auto industry production pledges in Canada as part of their pitches.
During a visit to Ottawa last month, Germany’s Minister of Economic Affairs, Katherina Reiche, said her country’s auto industry is keen on expanding its presence in Canada and is in the midst of discussions about doing so.
Volkswagen has already committed to building an electric-vehicle battery factory in St. Thomas, Ont., through its PowerCo subsidiary.
Ms. Reiche said the German auto industry interest is independent of Berlin’s joint bid with Norway to supply Canada with submarines. But the minister acknowledged that Berlin has been talking to its auto industry.
South Korean submarine maker Hanwha signs agreement with Algoma Steel
In January, Hyundai Motor Group executive chair Chung Euisun visited Ottawa at the same time as a high-level South Korean government delegation. The South Koreans signed a memorandum of understanding intended to bring the country’s auto-sector manufacturing and investment to Canada.
The non-binding MOU pledges both sides to working together to promote the manufacturing of autos, electric vehicles, batteries and hydrogen-powered vehicles.
Germany and Norway are also making the case that they are NATO members and their submarines would be interoperational. South Korea, which is a global powerhouse in shipbuilding, is hoping to expand into submarine manufacturing. Winning even a partial Canadian submarine contract would be a strategic turning point for Seoul’s efforts to become a major player in the arms market.
Anyone spending as much as we will on 12 subs would be looking for the same thing. Canada is looking to make things again, and this is an opportunity to try to bring more manufacturing here to Canada.
Someone needs a smack upside the head.
Its just plain nuts.
